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People are fine with being disrespectful to Christians

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Flymetothezoom · 31/10/2022 09:34

At a church playgroup. The people who run it are very devout Christians. I am taken aback, by the number of parents, who thought it was appropriate to bring their kids to the church dressed for Halloween. Kids are dressed as witches, goblins, skeletons, creepy pumpkins etc..
The church holds a light party every year on Halloween and is very clear that they do not endorse Halloween.

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OneTC · 31/10/2022 12:02

whumpthereitis · 31/10/2022 11:57

Genuinely, I think you’d be disappointed if Christianity was treated with reverence. Less in the way of opportunities to air the persecution complex.

I'm not a Christian

RascafríaMom · 31/10/2022 12:04

Christianity is a huge umbrella with plenty of Christians having no issue with Halloween. Some do, but no universal statement can be made.

If this particular group of Christians do have an issue with children dressing in costumes, they should have sent parents a notice that it was not acceptable / please do not do that. It would have clearly set expectations.

Underanothersky · 31/10/2022 12:07

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Atheism isn't ridiculous, but comments like this are.

Applesandcarrots · 31/10/2022 12:08

ReneBumsWombats · 31/10/2022 12:00

But belief systems counter each other all the time. Are Christians disrespecting Islam by not accepting Mohammed as a prophet? Is Judaism disrespecting Christianity by not accepting Jesus as saviour?

Autumn/harvest/solstice/winter festivals are a human thing, not a Religion X thing. That's why there are so many of them in almost all cultures, from ancient to modern. How can a light festival that doesn't claim to be part of Religion X be disrespectful of Religion X?

Why do we have to respect any religion anyway? You respect people's right to follow that religion but why do you have to respect the religion itself? Aren't you allowed to think it's tosh and hold an event that expresses what feels right to you? Isn't that what pretty much all religions, and indeed atheists, do?

Not believing in a same thing and not having same prophets is not same as actually organising counter events on a specific event. That is the bit which is problematic.
Don't believe in same thing? Fine, ignore it. That's absolutely fine.

MrsAvocet · 31/10/2022 12:08

I think it all hinges on whether the leaders of the group made the dress code clear or not in advance. If they did, and the parents ignored it, then yes, I think that's disrespectful. If you are attending something run by a religious group then i think you should follow reasonable requests regarding dress, behaviour etc out of respect for the people involved, even if you don't share their beliefs. I'm sure many of us have visited religious buildingson holiday for instance where we've been asked to have our shoulders covered, take our shoes off, cover our heads/not cover our heads, not take certain foods with us etc and have complied with those requests even though we are not of that faith. It's just polite to comply if you're a visitor. If you don't feel that you can do that because of conflict with your own beliefs or conscience then you shouldn't go.
However, if it wasn't made clear in advance I don't think it was disrespectful. As is obvious from this thread, there is quite a range of views and practices regarding Halloween within Christianity so it's unreasonable to expect people to understand the stance of a particular group if they've not been told.

ReneBumsWombats · 31/10/2022 12:11

Applesandcarrots · 31/10/2022 12:08

Not believing in a same thing and not having same prophets is not same as actually organising counter events on a specific event. That is the bit which is problematic.
Don't believe in same thing? Fine, ignore it. That's absolutely fine.

But why can't you?

As long as you don't interfere with other people practising their faith, why can't you hold something different if you want to? You're allowed to think a belief system is rubbish and to hold something else that you find more appropriate as an alternative.

The only person trying to dictate how people mark the day is you.

Meadowbreeze · 31/10/2022 12:11

@DogOverlord I have nothing against atheists and I never laugh at their beliefs, but you think it's ok to call something someone deeply believes in as a maker, a sky daddy?
You don't think that could possibly be deeply offensive?

DogOverlord · 31/10/2022 12:11

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firef1y · 31/10/2022 12:12

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 31/10/2022 10:21

My close friend who's Catholic isn't hugely into Halloween as it falls on All Saints Day.

I don't see the issue with kids coming in Halloween costumes but they could've left it until today to dress up.

Nope it's the day before All Hallows (Saints) day. Hence why it's Halloween which is short for All Hallows Eve

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 31/10/2022 12:13

Instead of children being surrounded by things that glorify the darkness

I went to a stay and play type thing this morning. Didn't realise the small child I saw there dressed as a pumpkin was glorifying the darkness..

DogOverlord · 31/10/2022 12:13

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SellFridges · 31/10/2022 12:14

Given there are a bunch of Christians on our road right now who don’t find it disrespectful to stand outside other people’s homes to protest an abortion clinic down the road (because they’ve been banned from being closer), I can’t say I can call drawing a two year old as a pumpkin in a church hall disrespectful.

JustAWeirdoWithNoName · 31/10/2022 12:15

Hmm I think YAB a bit U - dressing up as a witch or a ghost is just a bit of fun. I'd agree with you if someone had turned up with a ouiji board.
However I do think that people are overall much quicker to be rude about Christian beliefs than they are about others (e.g. Muslim, Hindu)

Meadowbreeze · 31/10/2022 12:15

@DogOverlord That's not my job. You have grown to adulthood thinking it's not, there's not much me, a random person on the internet can do to persuade you that what you say, is incredibly disrespectful and derogatory.

120go · 31/10/2022 12:16

arctica · 31/10/2022 11:34

The intent behind the threat is still there. The disrespect and contempt oozes from it, and the snide comment about morals. To say that and then whine about being disrespected is unbelievably hypocritical.

If you break the laws of man, you will be punished by man.

If you break the laws of God, you will be punished by God.

Really is quite simple stuff.

DogOverlord · 31/10/2022 12:17

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ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 31/10/2022 12:18

Coldilox · 31/10/2022 09:45

Considering how disrespectful the Christian church can be, I don’t think there is much room for complaining.

(caveat, I don’t mean all Christians before I get jumped on)

I was thinking the exact same words.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 31/10/2022 12:18

But Halloween is part Christian? You've got the 3 consecutive linked days of Halloween, All Saint's Day and All Soul's Day. If it's a community playgroup and not just for church members then it's unreasonable for you to expect everyone to understand your specific theological positions, particularly if they are quite niche.

Tehcnically would Halloween (All Hallows Eve) start at sunset, and was actually the evening of All Saints Day, as days went from sunset to sunset?

OneTC · 31/10/2022 12:18

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lol

Meadowbreeze · 31/10/2022 12:19

@DogOverlord I don't believe in hell but it's a bit weird to be offended at that. From my understanding the belief is that if you do things that aren't ok in that religion, you go to hell. If you don't believe in that religion or its beliefs, why would you choose to believe and be offended by one part of it?

arctica · 31/10/2022 12:19

120go · 31/10/2022 12:16

If you break the laws of man, you will be punished by man.

If you break the laws of God, you will be punished by God.

Really is quite simple stuff.

Still hypocritical.

Do you get off on threatening people with hell?

russetmellow · 31/10/2022 12:19

What a strange post. As others have said, depends on what sect of Christianity - many, such as Catholics, don't have a problem with Halloween. If your church group doesn't want people to dress up, why didn't they just say that, and then refuse entry to anyone who is dressed up if they wanted!

whumpthereitis · 31/10/2022 12:19

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