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Has anyone else got a friend who’s a helicopter parent even though their dc are older teens?

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Enidanddelilah · 30/10/2022 09:08

I’ve got a friend who is completely obsessed with her dc and still micro manages every aspect of their life from boys and friends to school work. It’s all she talks about as well in a bragging, superior way. Her eldest is 17 and still does everything they are told, no rebellion at all. Anyone else know anyone like this? How did their dc turn out?

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Tonty · 30/10/2022 10:08

Is having a rebellious teen a mark of, 'good parenting', now? who knew?

Coasterfan · 30/10/2022 10:09

DC1 is almost 15 and has a friend that isn’t allowed to do anything including sleepovers, going into town etc . She also isn’t allowed online friends. DC1 has online friends and is very careful and sensible and tells me about them, I have also checked some of them out via FaceTime (the ones she talks to a lot). The difference is, the friend has secret online friends and lies about it to her parents and also lies about where she is going and what she is doing. I think it’s safer to be less restrictive so your DC are more open. We all know teens will do what they want when they want, regardless of what we think, I d just rather they didn’t lie about it!

Enidanddelilah · 30/10/2022 10:11

Whenever I talk to my friend she makes me feel inadequate and that her dc are in some way superior. I do try to keep an eye on what my dc are doing but they point blank refuse to let me get involved with their school work and social life. I sometimes wonder if I should have gripped onto the ability to control them although they’re doing well.

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TheMorigoul · 30/10/2022 10:14

@Tonty to a degree yes, it's a time in their development where they will be carving out their own identity. It's perfectly normal for teens to want to do things their own way, make their own mistakes and to question yours. If you prevent them from doing this they miss out on learning about who they are and they won't come back to you as an adult. They are supposed to pull away.

WhichWitchIsTheWitch · 30/10/2022 10:19

Someone I know has three in their mid 20s. All living at home. Ring each other constantly (mum and then) with every detail of their lives. Go on holiday all together. There’s close and there’s suffocating! One of the ‘kids’ is a teacher, one is a doctor and the other is a medical student!!

Benjispruce4 · 30/10/2022 10:30

I have two DDs, 22 and 18. Eldest graduated this year and has got a job and moved out to live with uni friends. Youngest is working during a gap year before starting uni. Once they got to 16/17 they naturally became more independent and made their own decisions. Our involvement in school work went aa far as making sure they were attending school, doing homework, we attended all parents evenings etc. Obviously we are here for them and offer advice and set boundaries for the youngest still at home in terms of keeping in touch when she’s out and ask how she’s getting home etc. We encouraged them both to get part time jobs at 16 and gave lots of lifts to enable that . Now they both drive .They both know they can call at any time and we’ll be there but they are adults now.

user55875537986543 · 30/10/2022 10:32

@Sparklingbrook not necessarily. My best friends would know. But one of my children has a hidden SEN and not everyone knows. They also don’t know or understand all the ins and outs of it. So no. Friends don’t always know.

Sparklingbrook · 30/10/2022 10:35

user55875537986543 · 30/10/2022 10:32

@Sparklingbrook not necessarily. My best friends would know. But one of my children has a hidden SEN and not everyone knows. They also don’t know or understand all the ins and outs of it. So no. Friends don’t always know.

You define ‘friends’ differently to me if that’s the case.

Wbeezer · 30/10/2022 10:44

None of my close friends are but I'm on a parents of students at a particular uni Facebook group (a bit of a self selecting group, I'm local most of the other members are international so I help with info about how things work here). Recently a discussion was started about worrying about where student children were and several people suggested using a tracker app on their phones, I was horrified about the breach of privacy but apparently many do this routinely! Admittedly many of the parents in the group are what I would call over involved!

user55875537986543 · 30/10/2022 10:52

@Sparklingbrook close friends - people I have known for a very long time. Other friends - people I’m still in touch with from school/university/work but don’t see often, school mum friends (some are close, most just pals), etc. I have a close friend whose child has a life limiting illness. 90% of the people she knows don’t yet know. They will in time, but she can’t cope with telling everyone now and her child appears fine at the moment. But people might think she’s super over protective.

Not everyone tells everyone everything immediately. My child’s SEN isn’t a secret but it’s also not relevant to lots of people and it’s not obvious to lots of people who spend little or no time with him. So yeah, not all my friends know!

MayMoveMayNot · 30/10/2022 10:56

user55875537986543 · 30/10/2022 09:34

I don’t like this thread. None of you really know exactly what the relationships you’ve described are like. “Helicoptering” to you might look like “being involved and interested” to others. Children and teens need some independence but also really need their parents. It’s the “I often have no idea where my teen is!” parents that I worry about much more.

That's my thoughts too...

Sparklingbrook · 30/10/2022 10:59

user55875537986543 · 30/10/2022 10:52

@Sparklingbrook close friends - people I have known for a very long time. Other friends - people I’m still in touch with from school/university/work but don’t see often, school mum friends (some are close, most just pals), etc. I have a close friend whose child has a life limiting illness. 90% of the people she knows don’t yet know. They will in time, but she can’t cope with telling everyone now and her child appears fine at the moment. But people might think she’s super over protective.

Not everyone tells everyone everything immediately. My child’s SEN isn’t a secret but it’s also not relevant to lots of people and it’s not obvious to lots of people who spend little or no time with him. So yeah, not all my friends know!

Yes everyone has different relationships with people they call friends. We can only speak from our own experiences.

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 30/10/2022 11:07

Our old neighbour. Her kids could barely breathe. In bed by 8pm literally until they went to Uni. And then she told me that they weren't coming home in the holidays........they basically stayed a week at Christmas for the rest of the time we knew them!

DrunkOnHim · 30/10/2022 11:19

Enidanddelilah · 30/10/2022 10:11

Whenever I talk to my friend she makes me feel inadequate and that her dc are in some way superior. I do try to keep an eye on what my dc are doing but they point blank refuse to let me get involved with their school work and social life. I sometimes wonder if I should have gripped onto the ability to control them although they’re doing well.

I wouldn’t say I’ve ever been involved In my kids social life but I know a lot of their friends as they are at our house at times obviously. Youngest needs a lift sometimes to meet friends or to come home if it’s late. They let me know what they’re up to and text me if plans change like they won’t be home for dinner or are staying out overnight. I’ve always helped with revision up to GCSEs. I don’t think it’s control to know what they’re up to, they’re my kids, I’m interested and they like to tell me stuff. Some stuff I think I’d rather not know, my face is saying 😀when listening to them tell me stuff, but inside I’m more 😱. It’s good that they tell me stuff though. Our oldest moved out recently but she visits a lot and calls and keeps us up to date with her life and work.

Tonty · 30/10/2022 11:24

TheMorigoul · 30/10/2022 10:14

@Tonty to a degree yes, it's a time in their development where they will be carving out their own identity. It's perfectly normal for teens to want to do things their own way, make their own mistakes and to question yours. If you prevent them from doing this they miss out on learning about who they are and they won't come back to you as an adult. They are supposed to pull away.

I have grown dc so very intune with what you describe.

Writing a blanket statement such as, 'Her eldest is 17 and still does everything they are told, no rebellion at all' is silly because not rebelling doesn't necessarily mean the dc is not developing properly as you have alluded to and rebellion has never been a mark of good upbringing particularly.

MN is fond of generalising and using their own experience to judge what is going on in other people's homes.

What is OP's definition of rebellion? a lot of what she has described is pointing more to her personally feeling inadequate rather than anything wrong with how her 'friend' is raising her dc.

One person's idea of 'teenage rebellion' is another person's idea of a completely out of control teen. How does OP really know they do everything they are told? is screaming in public and swearing at your parents in front of neighbours, 'teenage rebellion'? or a bit of grumbling, eye rolling & slamming doors? OP and her friend clearly have very different standards so best OP minds her own business and enjoys her family. If her df is bragging.... change the subject.

Tootsey11 · 30/10/2022 11:25

You seem by your post to expect all teens to 'rebel'.

You are making judgements about a situation based on what your friend is saying, but you don't live in that family so can't possibly know. You're a judgey twat.

BiasedBinding · 30/10/2022 11:34

So she belittles you and makes you feel bad about yourself and you want stories to reassure you that her children are going to turn out badly? I think you should just concentrate on having the courage of your convictions that you are doing the right thing for your children.

VariationsonaTheme · 30/10/2022 11:49

Her eldest is 17 and still does everything they are told, no rebellion at all

I'm not sure this is anything to do with being a helicopter parent. I’m most definitely not, I have an 18 and 15 year old, encourage their independence far beyond what some of their friends are asked to to do/allowed to do, and yet they still do everything I do ask of them without argument, always have. 🤷🏼‍♀️Maybe it’s precisely because I’m not always micromanaging them.

witchesbubblebath · 30/10/2022 11:52

I am the product of one and it was deeply unpleasant although i knew no different. Horrible.

Bookishish · 30/10/2022 11:54

user55875537986543 · 30/10/2022 09:34

I don’t like this thread. None of you really know exactly what the relationships you’ve described are like. “Helicoptering” to you might look like “being involved and interested” to others. Children and teens need some independence but also really need their parents. It’s the “I often have no idea where my teen is!” parents that I worry about much more.

I completely agree.

UrslaB · 30/10/2022 12:38

Next door neighbor growing up is the epitome of a helicopter mom. She drove son to and from school, he didn't get to do any activities unless she was there and when she left the house to go shopping, he had to follow after her. When he did try to socialize as a teenager she was the weird mom who waited outside nearby in her car. Her son never left home. He works locally, comes home for lunch which she has on the table ready for him. His mother still buys all his clothes, and he has no friends that I can see whatsoever. He is in his early 30s, gorgeous looking fella, soft spoken but tied to his mother's apron strings. I mentioned I was running a charity pub quiz once and asked him to come, figured it would be good for him to get out, meet some people. Said I would put him on my team and introduce him to everyone. His response? He would have to ask his mom....FS. Yeah. He never appeared at that pub quiz.

In my wider group of friends growing up we had two girls with helicopter parents. Although, I think the title seems too innocuous and is a euphemism for abusive in the cases I witnessed. I think I knew their mums better than I knew my friends at one point because they were always in their business. Very controlling about school work, constantly landing at school, getting to go out with friends involved a business proposal, an interview and regimented schedule as well as phone calls to check in when we were all out. Even just a cinema trip or a meal, never mind discos etc as we aged...it was exhausting and I always felt sorry for them. Their careers were pretty much determined by their parents and they lived these regimented lives of scheduled activities, their very beings micromanaged down to what they wore, who they could be friendly with, how they had their hair cut and how they spent their leisure time.

When we went to university one of my friends rebelled. Her mum had been calling down to university digs (we were only about two hours from our home town), checking in on what she was eating, going to class, reading her university work and questioning who she was meeting/making friends with. My friend seemed to just have had enough and basically started sofa surfing with friends and acquaintances so her mum couldn't find her. (This was such a pain in the tit when she would land at our digs and I would have to go through the interrogation to explain that no, I have no f-ing clue where her daughter is) She started drinking and partying and just...yeah, I was having my own rebellion for different reasons but even I looked at her and thought...yeah she needs to slow down. In later half of second year of university, it all came to a head when she fell pregnant. Her mum hit the roof and landed down and tried to drag her DD back home, police were called, there was a huge scene and pretty much she stopped talking to her mum. She had some support from the baby's father and got a flat of her own, finished university and got a good job. She had a few rough years where she was dependent on the baby's father's family for support, and he was a real gaslighting waste of oxygen, but she became really successful. We are all early thirties now and she only started talking to her mum again about five years ago. Their relationship has a weird tenseness now since the mum still tries to take over and revert to helicopter mode but my mate is financially secure and has toughened up through life so has none of it. Although there is a weird pettiness about it now, like, if she is meeting her mom she will purposefully wear clothes/makeup she knows will annoy her mother and she will drop comments about her life and friends like she is baiting her mom. It's...weird and unhealthy.

The second friend, similar but worse situation. Real abusive helicopter parents, she wasn't even allowed to live away from home for university. They often felt more like her stalkers and jailers than her parents. She hated her subjects in school but did them because those were the subjects her parents wanted her to do and that her mom was an expert in. I remember one rare night she came out clubbing with us and she was staying at my student digs. The whole night was weird cause she was on tenterhooks about 'mum said I should wear this' and 'mum said I shouldn't drink this' or 'mum said I shouldn't talk to people who are studying x/y.' Anyway, we get back to digs and are just dropping off at 3am, when the door starts banging. It's her mum demanding she come home, despite the fact she had okayed her having a night out and staying over. She was 19. She looked like she wanted the floor to eat her. After university her family used connections to get her a job in a cousin's business and this was another way for them to regulate her life. She wasn't allowed to leave home to rent somewhere to live because her mum had a plan for her to be able to get a mortgage before she was 26 and her income was regimentally controlled into savings accounts. She had to take a packed lunch every day and was only 'allowed' one social outing a month on a strict budget. Her mom blocked numbers and deleted numbers of friends she disapproved of as bad influences from her daughter's phone without telling her. When the talk started of how nice the managing director of the company was and her folks could arrange for her cousin to set her up with him she snapped. She had let them organize her life for years, helicopter all the time but this was a step too far. She packed a bag, left like she was going to work and disappeared. She left a letter saying she couldn't take it anymore. Her parents went ape, tried reporting her missing to the police, harassed all of her friends trying to find out where she was. She stayed with me for two weeks and basically moved around friends before she went to a different city to sort herself out. Lived in a HMO for a few months and worked temporary jobs while she figured out a plan. She ended up leaving the country, and now lives in OZ. Had to go half way around the world to escape her mother who kept tracking her down and harassing her. She revealed later that she had been planning the escape for years and had been saving up her 'house deposit account' as an escape fund but the talk of 'good husband' from her mother had kicked her plan into high gear. She has no contact with her parents now although she does have contact with her siblings, especially a younger sister who she essentially helped escape her parents clutches too.

bigfamilygrowingupfast · 30/10/2022 13:50

Yes I have a friend with an older child and it's something that worries me greatly! It verges on munchausen by proxy where she says she's got to watch over her as her child has OCD/depressive episodes/is on suicide watch etc, but it's just not true. He's a lovely boy who has absolutely no issues at all!

Toddlerteaplease · 30/10/2022 14:42

There was a story on our local news about a lad who'd got a place at university to study his dream subject. And his mum got on the same course!

Wbeezer · 30/10/2022 14:48

I've just reminded me of the American parents who moved over to the UK for the duration of their childs uni course here. I dont know what kind of visa they have but I suspect they are wealthy.

crumpetswithjam · 30/10/2022 14:52

It varies according to the child, I think. My mum was much more involved with my life as a teen, as I was awkward and anxious (And autistic! Undiagnosed), and had few friends. I relied on her quite heavily, and it wasn't really her fault, she would give me opportunities for freedom, I just was reluctant to take them. I went to a (very good!) uni about an hour from home and popped back regularly (but lived in halls/digs). I moved home after uni for a few years to find my feet. My sister, on the other hand, moved to China after uni. My younger brother lived at home until he was in his thirties, but he lost our mum at a very important age developmentally, and that really wrecked a lot of his twenties. He also, like me, is neurodiverse.

I would say I'm the more independent one now. Dsis and her DH rely quite a bit on generous handouts from his folks. When the time was right, and I met DH, I moved to London, trained as a teacher and took off. Financially we are sound. We don't rely on anyone for anything. We have two kids and I find myself doing what my mum did and parenting them slightly differently, according to their level of need. I am happy for them to fly free if they wish. Equally, in the case of my DS, who I am likely to care for forever, I am happy to helicopter.