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Woman shouting at security in ASDA?

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Driedpotatochip · 29/10/2022 22:40

Just did a quick late night shop, only one door open and as I was walking in this woman with maybe her son were walking out when their trolley locked.

As they’d blocked one side of the door I had to wait whilst she was screaming at security at how dangerous this was and security were like - there was signs. But she just kept shouting saying she was going to do more than go to customer service.

Was she unreasonable or is locking trolleys ok? I’ve actually never seen it happen before.

OP posts:
Ineedsleepandcoffee · 29/10/2022 23:45

melj1213 · 29/10/2022 23:32

The trolley locking system is basically that when you come in through the main doors with the trolley it "activates" the trolley lock which is only "deactivated" when you go through the checkout/exit the self scan area, allowing you to exit the store unimpeded. If you don't go through a checkout then when you go through the main doors the trolley will lock as it hasn't gone through the area needed to deactivate it.

It is a loss prevention system as basically it should only lock the trolley if you're trying to leave the store without going through a payment point. If someone fills up a trolley with items then tries to dash out of the store without paying then the trolley will lock at the door and stop them ... They might grab a few items from the trolley as they make a run for it but the store doesn't lose all of the stock.

Obviously there will be innocent people who are affected occasionally - if an individual trolley lock has malfunctioned and not deactivated; if you go to the cafe after shopping then the trolley lock will reset after a certain amount of time; if you just come in for a browse and you don't buy anything etc - but when those trolleys lock then a simple check that you have a receipt/trolley is empty and the security colleague can unlock it manually with a handheld device.

I didn't know about this. Is anyone else feeling the urge to go and test the system?

Womencanlift · 29/10/2022 23:49

melj1213 · 29/10/2022 23:32

The trolley locking system is basically that when you come in through the main doors with the trolley it "activates" the trolley lock which is only "deactivated" when you go through the checkout/exit the self scan area, allowing you to exit the store unimpeded. If you don't go through a checkout then when you go through the main doors the trolley will lock as it hasn't gone through the area needed to deactivate it.

It is a loss prevention system as basically it should only lock the trolley if you're trying to leave the store without going through a payment point. If someone fills up a trolley with items then tries to dash out of the store without paying then the trolley will lock at the door and stop them ... They might grab a few items from the trolley as they make a run for it but the store doesn't lose all of the stock.

Obviously there will be innocent people who are affected occasionally - if an individual trolley lock has malfunctioned and not deactivated; if you go to the cafe after shopping then the trolley lock will reset after a certain amount of time; if you just come in for a browse and you don't buy anything etc - but when those trolleys lock then a simple check that you have a receipt/trolley is empty and the security colleague can unlock it manually with a handheld device.

Well you learn something new every day. With this and the antibacterial handles, Asda’s trolleys are really something else 😂

Sounds like your woman OP was at it so she is definitely the one being unreasonable

SofiaSoFar · 29/10/2022 23:56

autastic · 29/10/2022 22:51

This happened to me and I shouted one because I was shocked and the also because I was in pain, it just locked and I was travelling forward and went straight into it and lost my balance and fell onto the metal. I was fucking angry there is no need for it, and as for signs the only one in the Asda I was in, someone was standing in front of it.
As a consequence I don't shop on Asda anymore.
seriously how many trolleys do they really lose?
I didn't carry on shouting as I recovered and I didn't shout at the staff, but I did complain.

How did the shouting help, though?

It's bizarre to react to things by shouting, unless it's an urgent warning to others of imminent danger.

Topseyt123 · 30/10/2022 00:08

Interesting. I had never heard of this until reading this thread.

Do all supermarket chains have this system? I assume it is not unique to Asda. What about Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrison's, Waitrose, Aldi, Lidl?

TeacheeTeacherson · 30/10/2022 00:16

This happened to me recently, I paid for my shopping and as I went through the barriers to get out, the wheels locked and I couldn’t push the trolley. Security checked my receipt and then pressed a button to unlock the trolley. It was shit though, I’ve broken a bone in my foot and have a walking boot on, and stumbled into my trolley, and there were people right behind me when I suddenly stopped. Seems like an accident waiting to happen really, it’s so abrupt.

melj1213 · 30/10/2022 00:18

minou123 · 29/10/2022 23:41

Thank you for the explanation, I was so confused about this Trolley Lock thing.
Makes total sense now.
It's like an extra security thing.

Basically yes, it's to stop people doing a trolley dash and getting away with thousands of pounds worth of stuff.

I have seen it work, a woman walked to the door with a trolley brimming with shopping, didn't look suspicious in any way, the trolley locked and the alarms went off at the door. Most people at that point are puzzled - if it's never happened to them before - and/or wait for security to come to unlock their trolley ... This woman literally had the trolley lock in the doorway and calmly didn't even break stride, she just let go of the trolley and increased her pace to get out of the store before security could cover the couple of meters to the door to stop her which is obviously a huge red flag for the woman being a shoplifter (as no genuine customer just abandons their paid for shopping at the door). When the security colleague reviewed the footage it was confirmed that she had just filled her trolley and walked to the door, no attempt at all to pay and when she went out she jumped into a waiting car driven by an accomplice.

Once we totalled up the value of the items in the trolley it came to just under £600 (lots of alcohol and clothing as well as electronics and meat joints) which would have been lost if the trolley hadn't locked as she tried to make her getaway.

IncessantNameChanger · 30/10/2022 00:27

I didn't know this either until I set it off in Sainsbury's. I walked in with a trolley, realised I didn't have my purse so wheeled it back out. It locked and I couldn't figure out what was going on. There aren't any signs up about it

minou123 · 30/10/2022 00:27

melj1213 · 30/10/2022 00:18

Basically yes, it's to stop people doing a trolley dash and getting away with thousands of pounds worth of stuff.

I have seen it work, a woman walked to the door with a trolley brimming with shopping, didn't look suspicious in any way, the trolley locked and the alarms went off at the door. Most people at that point are puzzled - if it's never happened to them before - and/or wait for security to come to unlock their trolley ... This woman literally had the trolley lock in the doorway and calmly didn't even break stride, she just let go of the trolley and increased her pace to get out of the store before security could cover the couple of meters to the door to stop her which is obviously a huge red flag for the woman being a shoplifter (as no genuine customer just abandons their paid for shopping at the door). When the security colleague reviewed the footage it was confirmed that she had just filled her trolley and walked to the door, no attempt at all to pay and when she went out she jumped into a waiting car driven by an accomplice.

Once we totalled up the value of the items in the trolley it came to just under £600 (lots of alcohol and clothing as well as electronics and meat joints) which would have been lost if the trolley hadn't locked as she tried to make her getaway.

Wow! I didnt think people could be so brazen..
Gone are the days of slipping a few bits down your trousers 😁

I have not heard of this before, but then again <shines medal> i pay for my shopping. Everyday is a school day.

Years ago I saw this shoplifter hide loads of food in his coat pockets, it was like Paul Daniels magic hat. I was in awe how much he could fit in.
He was caught.
But this was in Netto, so I only came to about £2.10 😁

Sorry Op for derailing your thread

melj1213 · 30/10/2022 01:17

Wow! I didnt think people could be so brazen..
Gone are the days of slipping a few bits down your trousers

Until I started working in retail I didn't realise just how brazen many shoplifters are! Or how unassuming some shoplifters can look - we had one who was the most polite, well spoken, well dressed, middle aged lady who had developed a very elaborate scam of buying clothes from our stores, removing the tags and reattaching them to her own old clothes and then returning them at very busy times (so staff were less likely to check too closely) to the less experienced customer service staff who would just look at the tags, which was attached to the items; checking the numbers matched the receipts and the description matched (eg a dress scanning as a dress with it being a dress on the reciept) and issuing refunds only for the clothing department to do a full check on the items later because they didn't recognize them. They then found that the labels in the clothes were either from different stores, were cut out or we're really old items from years ago.

She only got caught out after she'd perpetuated the scam about 15 times in the three stores in our area. Our store was the one she targeted most and we managed to narrow down the scam transaction to her when it was discovered pretty quickly and someone remembered that she had a reciept from a different store when she was doing her "refund" so we contacted them and discovered they had had the same issue with "switched clothes" and the two security departments compared notes and confirmed it was the same woman.

The next time she came in they made sure that it was me and the supervisor from the clothing department (who could verify whether it was store stock) waiting at the desk. So when she came over, I did a full visual check and found that the item was old stock, asked the supervisor to confirm it was years old (the labels change design regularly so we could date it to a particular year range) which she did, by which point security came over to take the lady to speak to her as the police were waiting to discuss her fraud with her (he'd phoned them as soon as he'd seen her walk in, and she helped us out by perusing the clothing department for a good 20 minutes to allow the queue to build up before coming for her "refund" which also gave the police time to arrive) as at this point she'd defrauded the company of about £1000 over the course of her scam. She ended up being charged and ended up in court, iirc she got a suspended sentence and a fine but if you had seen her in the street then you would never have guessed she was such a prolific thief as she looked so normal and unassuming.

The things I have seen since I started working retail would shock many people, and I have to confess it has affected the way I see the general public - from the unassuming shoplifters, rude and abusive complainers, the general lack of comprehension some people have when reading signs/offers all the way to the wannabe lawyers who tell me they'll be taking legal action because I've refused to honour their made up law.

StoneofDestiny · 30/10/2022 02:51

Wow - never heard of locking trolleys before. Clever!

BertaHoon · 30/10/2022 03:03

Driedpotatochip · 29/10/2022 23:31

I don’t know babes, I’m not Asda security xx

It's common sense. You can't be charged with the theft of something if you are still inside the store and willing to pay.

I very much a security guard has control over individual trollies.

I'm not really understanding you issue.

You couldn't get through the door for a few seconds?

Blizzardbeach · 30/10/2022 03:29

TBH, it can really hurt when they lock if you're not expecting it to happen then and there.
I still remember it hurting when i went too far with a trolley when I was 18 or so.
Now I'm a bit older and have mobility issues, I'd be a bit pissed off if it hurt my back. Infact, if it happened I'd stop shopping there all together.

Was the woman hurt?

ImustLearn2Cook · 30/10/2022 03:54

The fact that she shouted that it was dangerous tells me that she probably hurt herself and was in a bit of shock. I wouldn’t judge her too harshly for yelling.

Some people have hidden disabilities, have mobility issues and walking around in a lot of pain. A trolley suddenly and unexpectedly locking when you are pushing could cause quite a significantly, overwhelming, jarring, searing pain that for many others is hard to comprehend.

I do think that if this locking function can malfunction unexpectedly then it is potentially dangerous.

As an aside, do the signs warn of possible malfunction? Or do they only warn customers that they have to exit through the checkout/self serve area to deactivate the lock?

GhastlyBoo · 30/10/2022 03:56

It sounds dangerous to me!

So can't you wheel the trolley to your car anymore?

user3193 · 30/10/2022 04:00

This also happened to me. I had gone in to buy a couple of big home items but they didn't have what I wanted. So I left with an empty trolley. Had my 6 month old boy sitting in the trolley and it locked on trying to go out the door. I was also quite shocked as the trolley kind of jolted up as it locked. Especially with a baby sitting in it.

Slowslowlavaflow · 30/10/2022 05:06

It is not just Asda; happened to me in Tesco last week. I used the 'scan as you shop' and had forgotten a kid's jumper had a tag on it that needed removing. I set off the alarm at the exit and could not move the trolley forward. I did not even realise it was me who had set off the alarm and was struggling with the trolley thinking the wheels were malfunctioning. I was quite confused. Figured out it was me and the reason why after a quick chat with security and took the jumper to a member of staff at the self service area with the receipt to get the tag off. Was quite embarrassing as it was busy when I was exiting and lots of people were watching. As I returned and attempted to leave again, the trolley was still locked and the security guard took out a remote, pointed at the trolley wheel, pressed a button, and the trolley started rolling again. There were no signs around warning this could happen, but it was so busy and we were all moving slowly for the exit, that no one was hurt in any way.

StridTheKiller · 30/10/2022 05:10

I witnessed a man shouting at the yogurts on our nearest Asda. ASDA innit?

DoItAfraid · 30/10/2022 05:18

melj1213 · 29/10/2022 23:32

The trolley locking system is basically that when you come in through the main doors with the trolley it "activates" the trolley lock which is only "deactivated" when you go through the checkout/exit the self scan area, allowing you to exit the store unimpeded. If you don't go through a checkout then when you go through the main doors the trolley will lock as it hasn't gone through the area needed to deactivate it.

It is a loss prevention system as basically it should only lock the trolley if you're trying to leave the store without going through a payment point. If someone fills up a trolley with items then tries to dash out of the store without paying then the trolley will lock at the door and stop them ... They might grab a few items from the trolley as they make a run for it but the store doesn't lose all of the stock.

Obviously there will be innocent people who are affected occasionally - if an individual trolley lock has malfunctioned and not deactivated; if you go to the cafe after shopping then the trolley lock will reset after a certain amount of time; if you just come in for a browse and you don't buy anything etc - but when those trolleys lock then a simple check that you have a receipt/trolley is empty and the security colleague can unlock it manually with a handheld device.

Thank you for this explanation- I literally never knew this.

You explained it really well. You should write process manuals or other instructive documents.

Madwife123 · 30/10/2022 05:21

Had no idea they do this and I shop in Asda at least once a week so the signs can’t be that obvious. Sounds dangerous to me. Imagine if you have mobility issues or health conditions such as EDS etc. Suddenly stopping without warning will result in most people hitting the trolley and that can easily cause injuries.

yerdaindicatesonbends · 30/10/2022 05:24

DH works with the general public and it is becoming an increasingly common occurrence for people to start shouting for the smallest inconvenience so it’s not surprising unfortunately.

Madwife123 · 30/10/2022 05:25

A quick google tells me there is already law suits filed due to injuries caused.

www.williamsons-solicitors.co.uk/case-studies/claimant-left-with-fractured-wrist-following-a-visit-to-her-local-supermarket/

Mummieslncorporated · 30/10/2022 05:29

It's common sense. You can't be charged with the theft of something if you are still inside the store and willing to pay

But for every individual caught and charged, there are plenty more that don't. Those makes much more sense - prevent big thefts to begin with, reduce the loss of stock and it will have the side effect of reducing the number of shoplifters, as they will go to stores without this technology instead.

PuttingDownRoots · 30/10/2022 05:43

My brother was telling me a few days ago that at the Sainsburys he visits in London (Dulwich I think( you have to scan your receipt to open a gate to leave the self checkout area.

Its sad these extra measures like security boxes, locking trolleys etc are needed.

youkiddingme · 30/10/2022 05:48

Just a small thought - if the trolley locks in such a way that someone pushing it briskly could be hurt then I doubt any amount of signage makes that acceptable. Surely they could be designed to brake gradually rather than abruptly. Not everyone can read. Not everyone can see well enough to read signs that are at a distance.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 30/10/2022 06:03

autastic · 29/10/2022 22:51

This happened to me and I shouted one because I was shocked and the also because I was in pain, it just locked and I was travelling forward and went straight into it and lost my balance and fell onto the metal. I was fucking angry there is no need for it, and as for signs the only one in the Asda I was in, someone was standing in front of it.
As a consequence I don't shop on Asda anymore.
seriously how many trolleys do they really lose?
I didn't carry on shouting as I recovered and I didn't shout at the staff, but I did complain.

I'm sure ASDA are devastated by that loss 🙄

I think it's a good thing, stores lose so much stock, it's a deterrent that works.