Woman can't get breast reduction but people can get gender surgery wtaf?

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www.thesun.co.uk/health/20246040/strangers-stare-at-my-enormous-boobs/

Seriously what is wrong with the priorities of our country? Poor woman!

Delayed cancer treatment
No ambulances
Unavailability of CAMHS

Not sure it's all about under funding. My local MH Trust was given an extra £2.3m for CAMHS. It spent it on another layer of bureaucracy which resulted in even worse services and another review which cost another shed load of money. It followed the reviews in 2009 and 2014 that said the service was inadequate.

My son’s 18 year old friend can’t get surgery for pectus excavatum even though his ribs are crushing his heart and lungs causing breathing issues and reduction in fitness because it’s “cosmetic”

its very upsetting.

My colleague went to Dublin for her breast reduction rather than wait for the NHS. She had already waited two years before COVID hit, but was then told by the NHS that they didn’t know when they’d be able to get her in for it. She was having too much back pain and headaches to cope without it.
I’d love to have one myself but I’ll never be able to afford it sadly.

Can't link the document but from the NHS Scotland document 'National Gender Identity Clinical Network Scotland Facial Hair Removal for Transgender Patients, 2020, V1'

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'The removal of facial hair is seen as an essential part of gender transition for transgender patients. The absence of facial hair is of significant psychological benefit and produces greater well-being for the patient (4). As such, this must be seen as a necessary treatment, that contributes to the safety and confidence of people living in an identity-congruent gender role. It is recommended that facial hair removal should commence as early in the transition process as is practicable.'

I have PCOS, was diagnosed 22 years ago and have facial hair to the extent I have to pluck every couple of days. I find it quite distressing and it has been detrimental to my self image. I have never been offered any kind of hair removal. Ever. I had to fight for 10 years to get the treatment for severe acne due to my PCOS. The NHS says this regarding hair removal due to PCOS - www.nhs.uk/conditions/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos/treatment/ . It's certainly not something that my NHS area offers. Many women (including myself) struggle with their mental health due to the condition.

I have met a single, solitary GP who had any in depth knowledge of PCOS over the last 22 years. Bear in mind that it's a condition which affects 1 in 5 women.

I’ve just had a breast reduction privately. I saw 5 surgeons prior to choosing which one did my surgery.

Even when paying a surgeon won’t do it if your BMI is over 30. From the photo in the article I estimate that her BMI is over 30 and I guess that it’s the reason she won’t be able to have surgery.

That's awful. I hadn't heard of the condition so just looked it up and it's bizarre that the surgery has been deemed cosmetic.

The NHS shouldn't be performing "trans surgeries." It's Frankenstein medicine.

had my reduction surgery in 1999 and it changed my life. Went from a 32 JJ to a C and its been amazing. Back pain gone, 6 monthly mammograms and biopsies (at 27) because of yet another lump gone, suddenly I was no longer getting cat calls of "nice tits love" or men who seemed completely unable to look any higher than my chest.

Its disgraceful that this poor woman has to put up with that because of this trans bullshit.

I was 32 HH, had the article in my mind when I wrote my post.

Quite!

Gender surgery shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway.

Breast implants for transwomen aren’t routinely available on the NHS. However transmen I.e biological women can get their breasts removed.

Wouldn’t it be great if you could pair up with a tw and transfer your boobs to him

He has to pay for the entire procedure. Then we would see if being a man with boobs is desperate enough

Yep!

Breast reduction has never been routinely available on the NHS unless you meet a strict criteria, and even then it's an uphill battle.

@Lockheart There's no need to make this into an attack on trans-identifying people

Twist as you see fit. It's not this is an attack on the priorities of the NHS.

Are there any stats on this?

Except you seem unable or unwilling to see the two aren’t remotely related

Trans people have to wait longer than the average women who wants a breast reduction on the NHS

They’re not being prioritised.

It’s also not the same surgeons performing the surgeries so even if the NHS stopped GRS tomorrow wait times for breast reduction wouldn’t decrease

the NHS has ALWAYS had a tight criteria for breast reduction.

Wouldn’t it be great if you had even an ounce of common sense

Are you sure you’re in correct bra size? A 34 back when you’re size 10 seems very large.

I’m a size 14 and wear a 32 or 34.

So as expected

no evidence it’s being prioritised

What you seem to fail to understand is for women with PCOS there are multiple methods to help with hair growth, which the NHS obviously try first. Losing weight is a big factor

For trans women there is only one method for hair removal to try, which is laser hair removal

Critical thinking seems to be a rarity these days

Nah. Where’s the fun in that

Evidence for this? Stats?

Did have to laugh at you telling someone whose had a diagnosis for 22 years that 'losing weight is a big factor'.

As many women will tell you, it is often the only treatment we are offered and I suspect you don't understand the mechanisms of the condition if you can so blithely put it forward as a 'treatment' option for the hirsutism caused by it. And as for 'the only option for transwomen is laser hair removal', I mean, that's just not true, is it? Those of us with PCOS who have to deal with extensive facial hair due to the condition pluck, bleach or pay for laser hair removal ourselves.

If laser hair removal is considered so vital for the confidence and self image of transwomen that a national document has been produced to underline the necessity that they be offered laser hair removal on the NHS, it seems bizarre that similar hasn't been done for the 1 in 5 women who have PCOS. But then, it's a woman's health condition so unsurprising.

As an aside, I actually don't think that laser hair removal should be offered on the NHS for anyone given the current pressures on the NHS and the long waiting lists for life saving treatment.

I accept your point to a large extent, but to ignore the misogyny involved in helping men be what they categorically are not, before helping women be women, is wrong.