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Log burner safe?

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Bobbingcat · 27/10/2022 21:40

Linked to recent thread on here- are log burners safe? Does anyone use an air purifier with theirs?

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Mosik · 29/10/2022 11:13

On the subject of draught. Does everyone have good ventilation?
When ours was installed they put a vent in the wall. If you sit next to the vent you can feel the wind blowing in! It almost cancels out the heat.
I mothballed our stove three years ago becuase after 30 years of filthy ash and logs I decided to use an electric fire instead so I sealed up the vent. However in anticipation of this winter's fuel costs I had chimney swept and stove serviced ready to use so I have had to unseal the vent.

Allsnotwell · 29/10/2022 11:21

I have ventilation - you have to with burners over 5KW
when the fire is lit you push the handle down to reduce the draft - same when the fire is ready to die at bedtime you put the leaver in to stop the draft.

Allsnotwell · 29/10/2022 11:23

I would also recommend keeping the doors closed until it’s hot and them letting the heat escape to the other rooms

junglejane66 · 29/10/2022 11:24

Mosik · 29/10/2022 11:13

On the subject of draught. Does everyone have good ventilation?
When ours was installed they put a vent in the wall. If you sit next to the vent you can feel the wind blowing in! It almost cancels out the heat.
I mothballed our stove three years ago becuase after 30 years of filthy ash and logs I decided to use an electric fire instead so I sealed up the vent. However in anticipation of this winter's fuel costs I had chimney swept and stove serviced ready to use so I have had to unseal the vent.

You need a vent if the stove is over certain output, 5kW it think. A lot of new stoves take an air supply from a pipe directly connected outside to stop draughts.

I love my stove, free wood so costs nothing to run, I won't be freezing this winter when the lights and gas goes off this winter.

Allsnotwell · 29/10/2022 11:28

We also won’t be freezing! I buy wood seasoned very cheaply in the summer and it’s ready to go in the winter (price rises as we head into autumn)
It’s pre-paid so no shock bills.

We have oil heating as well also prepaid so we know exactly what our costs are going to be.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 29/10/2022 11:33

There is risk in absolutely everything we do. Sorely we'd never get out of bed if we weighed up the risk of everything we're going to do that day...

Even just considering fire - do some of you never have a bbq (live fire) never use a gas fire (gas leak) never go camping and use a camping stove (too close to tent/live flame/ingesting fumes), never light candles at home, never visit a bonfire or watch fireworks.....

GasPanic · 29/10/2022 11:59

DdraigGoch · 28/10/2022 23:22

In terms of GHGs, if you must burn something then wood has the least impact. This is because a sustainable forestry will replant the tree which captures carbon as it grows and gets chopped down itself to return to the atmosphere. It's a closed-loop system at least where CO2 is concerned, wood is a renewable resource.

Gas may well emit fewer particulates (I wouldn't be too sure about oil) but you're never getting that carbon back into the ground. It is therefore a trade off between air quality and GHG emissions.

In cities, the answer will eventually mean moving away from natural gas too. I think that the government is pinning its hopes on hydrogen. Trouble at the moment is that in order to cleanly extract hydrogen you need plentiful sources of clean electricity. We don't have that, we're heavily reliant upon burning fossil fuels and even then there are blackouts threatened. If the government built up a good baseload of nuclear power stations (renewables aren't realistically going to be enough to supply the UK's demands unless long-distance electricity transmission becomes viable, then concentrated solar thermal power stations in North Africa may be the solution) then hydrogen production could help soak up excess generation.

Gas burns more completely than wood and produces practically no PM2.5/soot. There is a little soot that builds up over time if the gas does not combust completely, but most gas fires are set to do this. The clue is in the flame, a blue flame is fully burnt methane, a yellow flame has more unburnt carbon. The reason gas flues don't need to be swept anywhere near as much as coal/wood flues is because they do not produce anywhere near as much soot.

I'd agree wood has less net CO2 impact, unless the methane source is bio methane (most of ours isn't).

I think the plan is to try to replace say 20% of the methane in natural gas with green hydrogen generated by renewables, but my guess is this is 10 years away at least. The great thing about it is that it will not really require any change in the equipment infrastructure. To go to full hydrogen will need new boilers.

The problem with wood/coal in cities is the PM2.5 they produce. Basically in the 50s we got killer "pea soup" fogs in London because of the sulphur dioxide from the coal and the PM2.5s just made that worse. The Clean Air Act reduced the coal burning to improve the air quality. Wood produces a lot of PM2.5s but does not produce any sulphur dioxide, so we won't be going back to the 50s, but the PM2.5s are a big problem. We've spent years trying to reduce the PM2.5s from traffic and diesel cars in London and been pretty successful. But now we are adding them back in to the atmosphere through wood burning, negating all the recent good that has been done in improving air quality. At some point in the future, there will be a much higher PM2.5 from wood burning, and one fateful night will come along with cold still air and the PM2.5 pollution will not be able to disperse properly, it will just linger in the streets like the pea soup fogs did. It's not hard to figure out what happens next.

Goldencarp · 29/10/2022 13:01

DdraigGoch · 29/10/2022 10:38

I find that opening the door an inch, waiting a second for the draught to enter and then opening it the rest of the way prevents this happening.

Yes I do that, wait for it to settle, but no one else does obviously 🙄

Allsnotwell · 29/10/2022 13:12

but I am looking forward to moving next year to civilisation and a gas fire

10 years ago our gas bill was £100 a month
we pay £250 tops for wood.

So defiantly worth a quick sweep on a Saturday morning to clear the ash.

thelobsterquadrille · 29/10/2022 13:20

Goldencarp · 29/10/2022 10:31

We have one. Husband loves it, I absolutely hate it. It makes the house stink and ash comes billowing out coating everything whenever you open the door. Dreading it getting cold and the rest of the family getting excited about using the booody thing.

Yeah...that shouldn't happen.

When was the last time you had it checked and maintained by a professional?

MrsDThomas · 29/10/2022 13:57

Im a burner. And proud of it!

burn away!!

people on this site are scared if their own shadows.

Lightningrain · 29/10/2022 14:03

We had one but I hated the mess so we got rid of it. Bits of wood all over the room and constantly sweeping up the mess that fell onto the hearth every time the door was opened. Also hated traipsing outside to fill the the log basket every day when it’s freezing cold and raining.

I like to use one now and again if we stay in a holiday cottage but don’t want it in my own house.

Floralnomad · 29/10/2022 14:22

MrsDThomas · 29/10/2022 13:57

Im a burner. And proud of it!

burn away!!

people on this site are scared if their own shadows.

Great you carry on and sod those of us that have lung disease ( life long non smoker so not my own fault ) who struggle daily with the crap that spews out of your houses . IMO they should only be allowed in rural areas .

MrsDThomas · 29/10/2022 14:24

Floralnomad · 29/10/2022 14:22

Great you carry on and sod those of us that have lung disease ( life long non smoker so not my own fault ) who struggle daily with the crap that spews out of your houses . IMO they should only be allowed in rural areas .

Keep your knickers on. My nearest neighbour is 2 miles away. And also a proud burner.

thank god i dont have immediate ones tutting away

lllllllllll · 29/10/2022 21:59

Good lord, I’m amazed that some people on this thread even manage to leave the house 🙄

WhichWitchIsTheWitch · 29/10/2022 22:07

They’re a lot safer than all the plug ins/diffusers/fabric softeners/febreeze etc that so many people seem to pollute their houses with. Modern wood burners that pass the highest particulate tests don’t smell in the house and aren’t dangerous to health but do provide cheap heat and cooking facilities to those with access
to free zero carbon wood. Obv those buying kiln dried wood that’s been transported for hours aren’t so eco friendly.

Allsnotwell · 29/10/2022 22:46

Don’t forget the tons of bleach! That’s a real lung burner.

snowspider · 29/10/2022 22:57

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snowspider · 29/10/2022 22:58

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