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neighbour threatened another neighbour with a Machete

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 12:56

Just that really - my neighbour in a big house converted into flats - had it with the noise from the kids above and kicked their door in shouted at them, returned to his flat to get machete - i open my door to see what's happening - he is walking up with Massive knife in hand - I was shocked - he says hi to me and continues (wtf)

I lock my door call 999 - hear the shouting upstairs - then he arrives at my door knocking apologising trying to explain himself - i obviously do not open the door

police come - he's arrested

WTF happens now - is he just going to come back and I have to live next door to this man? I have a toddler - i'm terrified now that he will come back and it's no longer safe in my building!

Police not giving me much info

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growinggreyer · 26/10/2022 13:11

Wow, that sounds really scary. Well done for keeping yourself safe and calling the Police. Hopefully they will not release him without making you aware. He should get bail conditions that mean he can't approach you to try to speak to you. You can ask the Police about this. There is literally nothing he can say or do to put things right between you, so he needs to understand that you never want to engage with him again. Let's hope he gets booted out of your building.

6demandingchildren · 26/10/2022 13:12

I'm not sure what will happen to him, he may be naked to his address or another address or he may remanded in prison.
When did this happen as the CPS might not of made a decision yet.

6demandingchildren · 26/10/2022 13:12

Bailed not naked

KnittingAuntie · 26/10/2022 13:21

Hiya. . . I'm so sorry that you've just had this dreadful experience. I had almost the same scenario a few years ago . . . a downstairs neighbour objected to a teenage lad playing his drum kit for about 30 minutes after school so attacked the father with a knife when he arrived home from work that evening. The police arrested the guy and he got 4 months in prison (but apparently had previous convictions so that may have contributed to the sentence) He wasn't allowed back to the flats but they were privately rented and the landlord refused to have him back (he had also substantially damaged the flat). I hope you get some news soon . . . do you know the other neighbours to talk to?

RedHelenB · 26/10/2022 13:29

Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 12:56

Just that really - my neighbour in a big house converted into flats - had it with the noise from the kids above and kicked their door in shouted at them, returned to his flat to get machete - i open my door to see what's happening - he is walking up with Massive knife in hand - I was shocked - he says hi to me and continues (wtf)

I lock my door call 999 - hear the shouting upstairs - then he arrives at my door knocking apologising trying to explain himself - i obviously do not open the door

police come - he's arrested

WTF happens now - is he just going to come back and I have to live next door to this man? I have a toddler - i'm terrified now that he will come back and it's no longer safe in my building!

Police not giving me much info

Next time don't open the door when you hear any dusturbance for yours and your childs safety.

Cw112 · 26/10/2022 13:45

Is it social housing or private landlord or do you all own? He's breached his tenancy agreement most likely by his behaviour so it just depends on who you need to report it to. Evicting someone can take months just so you're aware there's a full legal process landlords need to go through if the tenant doesn't accept the eviction and go quietly. I'd be ringing your landlord if you have one.

ShahRukhKhan · 26/10/2022 13:50

We had a neighbour attack another neighbour with a crowbar then pressure us not to say anything if the police were called. Luckily nothing came of it in the end-- keep your head down and deny everything if he asks did you call. You won't have been the only one to hear the ruckus.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 26/10/2022 13:54

Are the flats rented? Would it be worth contacting the landlord and telling them what's happened?

Chickenpeppers · 26/10/2022 13:57

I'm going to be a minority here but you shouldn't have got involved. If he is some psychopath, he's probably pissed off that you called the police and had him arrested, making yourself a target, well done.

dottiedodah · 26/10/2022 14:27

ChickenPeppers So she should have just let the guy threaten the NDN and DC with a knife WTF!

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 26/10/2022 14:33

We had a guy a few years ago ago arrested for similar, I came home from work, road was closed off he was stood in middle of the road waving a machete and screaming obscenities and threatening passers by. He’s back in his flat now, neighbours not consulted or warned.

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 14:42

so the police did say they will let me know when he is due to return!

It was only maybe 2 days ago now.

I mean all the neighbours are so nice (including guy next door who flipped!) so that's why I opened the door to see what was happening - no reason ever before to be in fear of opening door!! getting a peep hole installed asap now after this

We all own our flats except the 2 involved in the incident! Man who flipped out I believe is renting from private landlord but has been placed there by the council (is that a thing??) He is really bet down lately, the landlord is horrible - flat in bad shape - the noise of the people upstairs really bothers him (it is loud) so I guess he just flipped out

Shows where his head is at if he thought that was the solution though - couldn't he just have knocked and asked them to keep it down.

we've contacted both landlords of the properties involved so guess we just see what happens

I declined to give a statement - the flat upstairs did and it was fairly obvious what had happened

Plus he was super co-operative with police I could hear them through the door he said what happened straight away.

To be fair the police arrived within 2 minutes so it was all dealt with so quickly

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TheVanguardSix · 26/10/2022 14:56

No nice neighbour owns a fucking machete. He was super cooperative with police? Gee. What a swell guy! 🙄
Don’t give him even the tiniest benefit of the doubt. He is a very dangerous man. I’ve lived in poverty, I’ve lived in utter shitholes. I’ve paid rent to slumlords. I’ve had the neighbours from every circle of hell. I’ve never once thought about wielding a lethal weapon as a response to my shitty living situations.

You should have given a statement! For the sake of his future victim, you should have done that. But you have a right to make your own choices and you have to live with the guy. So, I understand there is fear there. I am sorry to have a go. But this guy is out of hand. I’d be moving heaven and earth alongside your neighbours to ensure he never comes back.

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 15:09

@TheVanguardSix i chose not to give a statement as I feel I was involved enough and I have to continue living next to this man potentially and worry for my safety. I'm sure the statement from the family and him admitting it to the police is enough no need for mine.

I agree why the fuck did he have a weapon in his house - I was giving background as to why I assumed he was a nice guy !
Guess you never know.

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 15:11

I have spoken to the landlord and emailed local MP's / council to see can they do anything? most of us have children - this is not a suitable building for a man like this to live in any longer.

does anyone know how the system works when you are placed in private rental from Council? is it possible to have him removed from the building?

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 15:17

This landlord we want his lease revoked- always trouble with who he rents to! (we all own a share of the freehold between us and we are trying to push him out - have been working on it for years - not an easy process!)

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RedHelenB · 26/10/2022 15:18

I don't think ypu'll be in any danger. I bet the upstairs flat will.be a lot quieter, his weapon will have been removed by the police and if he's on any meds I'm sure any involved professionals will be informed. I'd just carry on as normal if you bump into him.

SkylightSkylight · 26/10/2022 15:25

Chickenpeppers · 26/10/2022 13:57

I'm going to be a minority here but you shouldn't have got involved. If he is some psychopath, he's probably pissed off that you called the police and had him arrested, making yourself a target, well done.

@Chickenpeppers Have you ever been told it's not what you say, but the way you say it?!?!

I disagree with you, strongly, but I don't disagree with you posting your opinion, but really was the 'well done' necessary.

I disagree with your opinion because looking out for your friends & neighbours is important.

you need to do it as safely as possible, but just ignoring neighbours needing help? no way.

Ponoka7 · 26/10/2022 15:25

Please don't open the door again, that's how the little girl from by me, in Liverpool was killed. Just phone the Police. It looks as though the LL needs his property inspecting, if it needs upgrading. You could help to spark that by what you've done. The man sounds wrongly placed, but it's a tough one when we have a shortage of suitable properties. As said it could be that something else, meds etc need reviewing. All the residents, when possible could help by giving full statements in to the Police, when incidents occur. That will strengthen a case against the LL.

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/10/2022 15:39

I Know @Ponoka7 that thought came into my head after it happened!

I assumed someone had just knocked at the door so i opened it! jeez

Husband has went out and bought a peep hole today so will be installing it asap so we can peek out ahead of opening door in future

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PToosher · 26/10/2022 15:53

We own a machete. We live in the country now, not a block of flats anymore and it's an appropriate tool.

What's no appropriate is to kick in someone's door and then return with a machete to emphasise whatever point you have.

Your neighbour is likely going to prison. He went home to get a bladed offensive weapon in order to behave in a threatening or violent manner. There's no argument there in the case for the defence.

Aside from anything else, don't involve yourself in any way.

Hmmph · 26/10/2022 16:46

PToosher · 26/10/2022 15:53

We own a machete. We live in the country now, not a block of flats anymore and it's an appropriate tool.

What's no appropriate is to kick in someone's door and then return with a machete to emphasise whatever point you have.

Your neighbour is likely going to prison. He went home to get a bladed offensive weapon in order to behave in a threatening or violent manner. There's no argument there in the case for the defence.

Aside from anything else, don't involve yourself in any way.

What is a machete an appropriate tool for in the country? Also are you in the UK?

sydenhamhiller · 26/10/2022 16:54

Chickenpeppers · 26/10/2022 13:57

I'm going to be a minority here but you shouldn't have got involved. If he is some psychopath, he's probably pissed off that you called the police and had him arrested, making yourself a target, well done.

For shame.

What’s that quote… They came for the communists, I did nothing because I was not a communist. They came for X Y, Z but I did nothing. Then they came for me, and there was no one to defend me.

We should all stand up and be counted, that’s what makes a community, that’s what helps to stop anti-social behaviour.

RedWingBoots · 26/10/2022 17:02

does anyone know how the system works when you are placed in private rental from Council? is it possible to have him removed from the building?

Depends how he is renting the flat e.g. whether his contract is with the council or directly with the landlord.

I hoped you made it expliclty clear in your email to everyone that your child was present in the flat at the time of the incident and s/he was put at risk. Also I hope you pointed out you only opened the door because normally every one in the building is friendly and helpful - so they don't try victim blaming.

Unfortunately some people e.g. councils are shit until you explicitly point out that a child's safety was at risk.

RedWingBoots · 26/10/2022 17:06

Hmmph · 26/10/2022 16:46

What is a machete an appropriate tool for in the country? Also are you in the UK?

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