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To think working class shows?

795 replies

MrsBonnie · 23/10/2022 21:00

I work in a lovely school where they’ve all had very different upbringings to me. Very much working class here. Sometimes I think it shows with little things I’ve noticed.

Having sugar in tea, using a tumble drier, not having a cleaner, using the wrong glasses for different drinks (I.E using the same one for everything!)… what else am I missing that excludes me from the club 😂 sometimes I will mention something like the above and get “oh I never use a tumble drier” … then I just think oops have I said something weird there?

Sometimes I think they’re judging me with things I say and do but I hope not! I grew up being homeless at a certain point, council houses, single teen (but amazing) mum, a very specific type of circle. I feel like Mum did everything she could to get us out of that way of life, but I can’t help but feel I don’t belong sometimes. Or that I stick out like a sore thumb. Am I being daft? Imposter syndrome a little bit!

OP posts:
Blaggertyjibbet · 24/10/2022 11:32

Medoca · 24/10/2022 11:09

I’ve never heard anyone refer to themselves as Upper Middle Class in real life, only on here. Is that a class indicator in itself?!

I think there is a positive correlation between the people who loudly drop class signifiers into conversation/are sneery about those they perceive to beneath them and how tenuous or new their position is on the social ladder. The people I know who are the most snobbish about food/culture/holidays/loudly making fun of themselves for their ‘middle class’ habits (the ultimate aspirational humble brag) are either the ones who have worked their way up recently or the ones who perhaps grew up there but have experienced a change of fortunes and economically can no longer participate in the current class rituals.

The lady doth bray “I would never feed my child McDonald’s” too loudly to be securely upper middle. 🤷‍♀️

Medoca · 24/10/2022 11:35

evilharpy · 24/10/2022 11:27

Not a fan of champagne coupes?

Tulip-shaped is much better than flutes for champagne.

gigglinggirl · 24/10/2022 11:37

I am very firmly middle class and definitely use a tumble drier for towels as I can’t bear a crunchy towel.

gigglinggirl · 24/10/2022 11:38

gigglinggirl · 24/10/2022 11:37

I am very firmly middle class and definitely use a tumble drier for towels as I can’t bear a crunchy towel.

Dryer 🤦🏼‍♀️

Deguster · 24/10/2022 11:43

Tulip-shaped is much better than flutes for champagne

Hard agree here. Although I have some gorgeous vintage couples (from Oxfam) I agree with PP that it goes flat too fast and doesn't hold enough

Deguster · 24/10/2022 11:44

Coupes, FFS...

BretonBlue · 24/10/2022 11:44

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 24/10/2022 11:29

My tumble dryer has a cashmere setting. You can also proof a Barbour in it, so I think it is pretty solidly MC or more! Its also pretty much free to run as I also have solar.

Ooh, that might do for @Plantstrees and her jodhpurs Grin

Deguster · 24/10/2022 11:46

You can also proof a Barbour in it

Wait, what?? Why am I sending mine back to Barbour and paying £££ every year??

purplepricklypineapple · 24/10/2022 11:50

We had no hot water, ragged, hand me down clothes, we went to sleep with our coats on, no heating upstairs, never went on holiday , mother and father fought, my brother and I fought, we went to the local comprehensive school and we were solidly middle class. I used to envy my 'working class' peers who had new clothes, nice warm houses and went 'abroad' for their holidays.

There is more to connotations of 'class' than tumble driers and sugar in tea.

purplepricklypineapple · 24/10/2022 11:55

dryers

NotThereNow · 24/10/2022 12:20

This is a brilliant twist on the usual class thread. I also read it initially as OP was MC not fitting in with her WC colleagues but that's been explained now.
Usually there are tonnes of comments saying upper middle class/ upper class people are unfailingly polite and would go out of their way to make you feel included.
Sounds to me that the other teachers at your school are rather non-U and not to be paid any more headspace. Easier said than done. Small steps.

NotThereNow · 24/10/2022 12:26

At the risk of prolonging the debate there will be statistics on tumble dryer ownership by income/region (not class). See Family Spending www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/expenditure/bulletins/familyspendingintheuk/april2020tomarch2021#family-spending-data

teathyme · 24/10/2022 13:06

As a 2nd gen immigrant to UK I always feel British until I read these threads (which have become an education for me!). I just cannot relate to so many things.
I dry my washing by hanging it on a hanger (these are stored in a Tesco bag for life which is hung on the tie-back hook) which is then hung on the curtain pole on the upstairs landing. It gets the sun all day and dries really quickly. Which class would that make me?

EmeraldShamrock1 · 24/10/2022 13:14

Now I am senior exec level I just tell them I'm having tea at my nan's and we're going to sit and watch Corrie eating Crumpets and I give them a hard stare and eventually they look away.
Brilliant 👏 I love it.

Is anyone else dying for warm crumpets covered in butter with a cup of tea right now?

TonTonMacoute · 24/10/2022 13:49

Actually the best glass for champagne is tulip shaped.

I still think the coupe looks the coolest though. Think Audrey Hepburn.

I think most people judge others on their behaviour, not which class they happened to be born into.

Beezknees · 24/10/2022 13:51

purplepricklypineapple · 24/10/2022 11:50

We had no hot water, ragged, hand me down clothes, we went to sleep with our coats on, no heating upstairs, never went on holiday , mother and father fought, my brother and I fought, we went to the local comprehensive school and we were solidly middle class. I used to envy my 'working class' peers who had new clothes, nice warm houses and went 'abroad' for their holidays.

There is more to connotations of 'class' than tumble driers and sugar in tea.

I had a middle class "friend of a friend" at school and we went to her house once. It was massive but oh my god the mess. Piles of clothes everywhere, paper, all over the stairs as well! My working class mum would have been horrified.

Lilacsunflowers · 24/10/2022 14:04

I cannot believe how many declare themselves as a member of a 'class', comments like these on this thread:

"I am very firmly middle class"

Are you really categorising yourself in a 'class'?! Why?

I genuinely don't get it. I'm not British (am from an EU country), and see all people as human beings...Confused

Lilacsunflowers · 24/10/2022 14:06

I understand that some people are financially more successful, some are better educated than others, but we're ALL the same people! Why this need to differentiate by 'class? What does it even mean?!

Lunar270 · 24/10/2022 14:09

babyyodaxmas · 24/10/2022 11:13

Glasses- yes
Champagne need to be served in flutes
Wine only up to the widest point of the glass.
Both held by the stem or base so the wine stays the temperature is was poured at.
I would never serve wine in a straight glass (a curved tumbler might be ok).

We're WC but have champagne, prosecco, red and white wine glasses. Then there's whisky, gin, cocktail, beer, port, dessert and various glasses for soft drinks 😂

I'd agree with holding the stem except for red, when it really doesn't matter. But personal obviously.

I've just read my post back and it looks terrible 😂

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 24/10/2022 14:12

What is "working class" ?

Chocdropsandbuckfast · 24/10/2022 14:17

teathyme · Today 13:06
I do exactly the same. I even have a few hangers with clothes hanging from my bathroom and back bedroom windows lol 😂 can you imagine the outcry from the mc or uc who saw that? I dread to think 🤔

Lorrymum · 24/10/2022 14:20

EmeraldShamrock1 · 24/10/2022 13:14

Now I am senior exec level I just tell them I'm having tea at my nan's and we're going to sit and watch Corrie eating Crumpets and I give them a hard stare and eventually they look away.
Brilliant 👏 I love it.

Is anyone else dying for warm crumpets covered in butter with a cup of tea right now?

Bought some crumpets and jam this morning. Cant wait! Will also have 2 sugars in my builders mug of tea!

Watapalava · 24/10/2022 14:25

To me class is so much more than jobs

upper class to me is royals, rich land owners, some business owners tho some dodgy rich business men I wouldn’t call upper class so matter how rich they are

middle class again would be people from stock. Where 3/4 generations went to uni and posh achool

a lawyer/doctor who’s parents were teachers/nurses or even bus drivers etc are still working class to me

working class to me is pretty much everyone who works and owns house but not necessary land

Lilacsunflowers · 24/10/2022 14:28

*To me class is so much more than jobs

upper class to me is royals, rich land owners, some business owners tho some dodgy rich business men I wouldn’t call upper class so matter how rich they are

middle class again would be people from stock. Where 3/4 generations went to uni and posh achool

a lawyer/doctor who’s parents were teachers/nurses or even bus drivers etc are still working class to me

working class to me is pretty much everyone who works and owns house but not necessary land*

What are people 'from stock'? Confused

How can you own a house without owning the land its on?Confused

Watapalava · 24/10/2022 14:30

Guess I mean people who own acres,

I have a £500k house and i an FE teacher with 2 degree but still describe myself as working class as my mum and dad worked in shops/drove buses etc