To think it's not normal for over 35% of teachers to have cried at work this term?

[Postapocalypticcowgirl]

Whenever we talk about teacher working conditions, teacher strikes etc on here people always point out that lots of others have really stressful jobs. But this can't be normal in any job, surely? It's not even people who've cried about work- just people who've cried at work.

I think this is really indicative of the stress a lot of teachers are under, and the real reason a strike is on the cards. But it's hard to strike about workload/stress/behaviour/parental and SLT expectations- whereas striking over pay is legally straightforward.

No. Shite teachers are not the problem. Are you hard of understanding?

the issue is shortages in crucial subject areas…maths, science being the obvious ones. Children being taught by non-specialists to fill in timetable gaps. That means teachers who don’t have the details, the nuance of the subject at the forefront of their minds. Perfectly good teachers, I might add, teaching their own specialisms. Other gaps being filled by long lines of supply teachers. Classrooms being over filled with 45 or more kids. Whole cohorts of 100 kids or more taught in halls or sports halls by one teacher.

What’s your evidence that it’s because they’re rubbish at their job over workload? Because your kids teachers smile when they see you?

Teaching subjects they have no knowledge of - exactly! Why do you think that is? Do you think that’s their choice?

@Pumperthepumper

I didnt say I wasn't aware of what was happening with my kids education.

Individual teachers can't do much, can they? They can only do their best with what they're given

Or by a couple of SLAs.

You’re getting dangerously close to an epiphany here…..

That's not what this thread is about though @Pumperthepumper and to be honest it's irrelevant whether I support a strike or not. Its whether people who have young school age children do, it would be easy for me to support a strike, my DCs are 14 and 16 now so makes little difference to us at this stage.

Yes I am a TA and this doesn't surprise me at all. Teachers are under too much pressure.

But you’re arguing that teachers need to do something about it. I’m asking what you think we should do.

Ah.

And teachers wonder why they are perceived poorly or have little sympathy for their issues...

my DCs are 14 and 16 now so makes little difference to us at this stage

you don’t see a correlation between good teaching by specialists in classrooms where children have access to the equipment they need to help them learn and the future of the country as a whole? You don’t think that the less specialist teaching we have, the more we drive down standards? You don’t think that our best and brightest will find superior education elsewhere and remain there? You can’t see a bigger picture that will affect not only your children, but your grandchildren and their children?

or you just don’t care?

I have not argued that at all, I said by all means do something if you believe your conditions are that bad. If that's a strike so be it but don't for one second believe it is the only profession who works hours outside what they should or that they are the pnly profession with crap conditions.

Oh FFS, you are purposely misreading my posts. I can happily support a strike as personally my kids are older so it's not a huge inconvenience to me and grandchildren are a little way off so potentially time for the inprovements to be in place also, win - win for me. The people who you really need to be supporting it are the people with younger children where it is a short term inconvenience for a longer gain.

I don’t though. Nobody does. You’re winding yourself up about something that only exists in your own head.

I haven’t mentioned strikes.

OK. You don’t consider it your problem. Teachers, on the other hand, are experiencing the last 12 years of non-investment, are seeing their colleagues falling like flies, are seeing fewer and fewer applicants for key posts (including head teachers), and are concerned about what that all means.

No, no teachers ‘wonder’ about why people have little sympathy. We know why.

And we need to stop giving a shit. We need to start voting with our feet. You, for example, have kids in school and are unaware of issues in their school. And maybe there are none? I hope so!

Its certainly not in my own head, I have shared the meme that several of my teacher friends have shared which clearly states they believe they are the only job which works more hours than they should. Plus others who are comparing their conditions to junior doctors.

@Pumperthepumper

I'm not sure why you're determined to go down this route of trying to insist I'm unaware of problems in my kids school.

Its a bit odd.

I answered a question about workload.

I get you dont want to hear an answer that doesn't suit your narrative

My kids school is not subject to ofsted for a start

Private, or not in England?

@Givenuptotally

The entire country is in a mess due to 12 years of the tories

Just about every sector is facing the same issues

There are no easy answers for any of it.

And certainly none while we have the govt we do.

You said you were unaware.

Most independent schools opt for the infrequent peer sherry around the piano inspection

Sure

@noblegiraffe

Not in Englsnd

So when your friends sound off about their work, you want them to put a caveat in every time? Do you do that?

There was a post on here the other day from a foster carer who said she was overwhelmed and asking where she should go for help before her foster child starts noticing.

She was pulled to shreds by someone saying that it was disgusting that she should be left in charge of children. Perhaps that person should have realised that others, including teachers, are in tears.

The original post seems to have been deleted!