…. And she’s out of here

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Truss resigns.

thank god for that!

do we think sunak for the next PM?

what’s it going to take for a GE?

And I do wish these people didn't keep polarising politics to one issue. There's far worse issues for women like the costs of childcare, poverty affecting women more than men, the state of our maternity services, being unable to access mental health services, the financial position of carer's (mostly women), the lack of surestart centres, withdrawal of the maternity grant, misogyny in every day life, access to legal services etc etc etc.

The Toxic Tories if they had any integrity at all should be resigning en masse.

Oh thank goodness 😭

@OMG12 you are completely naive if you think the tories care at all for womens rights. They don't. It's just point scoring.
And seriously the economy has gone to shit. The nhs has fallen apart and yet your still more concerned about women rights. For worth I agree 100% with you that women deserve safe spaces free from anyone with a penis. I truly do. But I also think that we need to survive right now. We need to resolve the energy situation, we need a functioning nhs and we need to get the economy back on track. Because if we don't we are all going to hell. People are dying due to the pressures in the nhs. I had a client die a few weeks ago who quite possibly would have survived had she had more timely care - she waited a total of 19hrs from initial 999 call to admission to A&e.
We can fight for womens rights too. But we need to vote for the party that is going to do the best for the entire country right now. We need to survive

Agree

Agree

My goodness that's some quality transphobia right there. Bearing in mind the possibility of that even happening is millions to one you might want to focus on, y'know, some real issues affecting you and your fellow citizens
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Because trans women are all potential rapists.
Bloody hell listen to yourself.
Cis men are and have always been the overwhelming threat to both cis and trans women and if you don't understand that there is no point pretending you care about women's safety. You just think trans people are icky but don't want to admit it.

Yeah why should the lowest earners pay 19% instead of 20% in tax. Go on, clobber ‘em. You show ‘em. How dare they pay less tax. Make them pay more.

There's more to running a household budget than income tax. If you keep 100% of your income but have to shell out on increased prices for necessities, higher housing costs, private health insurance and other currently public services yourself, you will be worse off than if you keep 81% of your income with all of those communal services provided.

Well anyone with a penis is a potential rapist, yes. That is one only the reasons that it is important to keep people with penises (however they identify) out of women only spaces.

why are you so insistent that women (one in five of whom will have been raped or suffered sexual assault during their adult life) having to put up with having people who look biologically make being naked in the same spaces, not all men are rapists by any stretch so why just not all get naked together? Take away a woman’s need for dignity. Are you happy to strip naked in front of a random man off the street?

You’re so desperate to appear inclusive you’re willing to sell out women and their safety and sacrifice logic just admit it.

Nope, it’s not transphobia, I have no issue with trans people, however, that doesn’t mean I want single sex spaces compromised. Womens safety includes their mental well-being which for many women will include not stripping naked in front of a person who looks biologically male.

At times womens rights and transrights conflict. At that point a distinction needs to be made as well as priorities. For many purposes (esp those based on biology) trans women are different from women, however they feel spiritually. If pointing out the obvious and not prioritising one groups rights over the rights of another group (who I belong to - and who I feel objectively have the better argument here) only on the basis of political correctness rather than objective logic makes me transphobic so be it, label ahead if it makes you feel better to try and bully someone into agreeing to your view (which is probably just regurgitation as I don’t think you have any ability to critically analyse the situation).

It is a succession of women that have made me suicidal and practically penniless. Several of them are solicitors who knew perfectly well that they were harming me mentally and financially.

What a privileged life you must leave to have this one issue as the only thing that you see as important in political positions. Whilst that’s very nice for you, have you ever stopped to think about the women who have far less than you? Who haven’t even stopped to think about the potential small chance of a transwoman being a threat because they can’t even feed their children, heat their homes, have a permanent roof over their head, access a crisis shelter, get a drs appointment….?
im not saying this isn’t an important issue but I struggle to understand anyone who lives in that much of a bubble that they see it as the most pressing issue.

And how do you distinguish between a trans woman and what you refer to as a “cis” male? Both with look biologically the same in over 90% of cases. If the relevant areas were split on the basis of sex then it would be very easy to tell who should be in there and who shouldn’t. Allowing people with a penis into a woman’s safe space is throwing the food gates open for any man to gain completely unchallenged access, can you honestly not see that? If you can’t see the problem with that you need help, you have been blinded by an ideology over logic. Womens changing rooms usually have an upper age limit of 8 for male children for a reason. No boy of 8 is going to rape anyone, so think this through in that context.

I would suggest trans people advocate for 3rd spaces, their need to feel safe should not compromise mine. In the absence of those spaces they should access the space most suitable to the anatomy.

The conservative party are doing a brilliant job at encouraging Irish Independence! I think they are great keep them
in. Ironic that the unionist party are the most devisive of them all!

Well that’s my priority, I don’t think labour are sufficiently radical enough to make a sufficient difference to the economy overall to compensate for this standpoint, they aren’t going to solve the fuel crisis arising because of the war in the Ukraine, the global down turn etc. I’m not even sure they have policies at this point. I can remember one Lammie(???) being asked on QT what labours policies were and all he would say is “my job is to oppose the government” over and over.

So no, I don’t live in a bubble (any more than anyone else). I have a.right to vote for who I consider to be the best for the job, and I can make that decision based on whatever factors I find most important. The Identity and rights of over half the population is something I feel is very important for some reason. Shoot me!

Well this thread took a turn

I would agree, if there was a party who would do the best for the country, labour have never solved any of problems you mention, and often exacerbated them. I doubt this lot, who don’t appear to have a policy apart from oppose the Tories would do any better than a non- Truss Tory government, it’s prob a snap shot of what would have happened if Corbyn had got in. Labour thought it was ok to enter an illegal war, have unfounded public expenditure in ever election campaign.

therefore, it’s not ignoring other issues it’s realising Labour wouldn’t be able to solve them. Truss was a massive mistake as continuously pointed out by lord of MPs. I won’t even go into the BBCs role in the leadership election. Rishi would have been much better.

in the absence of any clear policy which would make me vote for labour I refer to a stance that would seriously affect over half the population well beyond our own lifetimes. That, to me, is not unreasonable

I have a.right to vote for who I consider to be the best for the job, and I can make that decision based on whatever factors I find most important

Absolutely, I think this basic premise is quite often forgotten in the heat of these discussions

One of the biggest problems Lab have always had is that the Tories have not only created massive financial holes but also created barriers to prevent Labour making sensible repairs to the country. It would take a phenomenal amount of time and effort to unravel and rewrite many of the laws in the UK that through their design favour Tory Donors who can then use other 'laws' to prevent progress. House building is hindered by major Tory donor building firms landbanking. Buying up pieces of land or old buildings and dong nothing with them knowing that eventually they will make large profits. Discriminatory laws enabling landlords to 'bully' renters. sometimes in only small detailed ways but to unravel these would face court cases which incur huge costs and delays. Manipulation of the uK 'public' has been woven into the UK laws for centuries. Arguably another reason why Brexit had to happen because the ethos of the EU (generally) is to give greater power to 'little people'. Labour cannot bake a cake when it has either no ingredients, or what it does have are stale.

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I have a.right to vote for who I consider to be the best for the job, and I can make that decision based on whatever factors I find most important

Absolutely, I think this basic premise is quite often forgotten in the heat of these discussions}

And here again with the media, particularly in recent years carefully manipulating the narrative to suit Tory themes. Blair's 'support' of the Iraq war is brought up but the prevailing mood and conditions of that time period are conveniently ignored. He was acting as Bush's 'poodle' and there were many conflicting bits of 'news'. yet Blair did many good things to help UK citizens and you can only look at the general direction and not obsess over a handful of exceptions.