Great article below. Our issues today are a direct result of the Brexit vote. In June 2016 the UK approached the fork in the road and chose to walk down fantasy lane. We cannot damage trade with our closest neighbours and expect to become richer. True sovereignty does not exist as economies are inter-dependent.
Whoever replaces Liz, needs to improve our relationship with the EU. We need realists, grownups and experts back in charge. We also need to be humble and realise we’re not special.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/14/markets-take-back-control-brexit-humiliation-britain-suez
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Endlesssummer2022 · 15/10/2022 06:50
OP posts:
Am I being unreasonable?
115 votes. Final results.
POLL
You are being unreasonable
20%
You are NOT being unreasonable
80%
bellac11 ·
15/10/2022 14:39
Florenz · 15/10/2022 14:33
That's very simplistic and doesn't reflect reality. If being in the EU was so good and the benefits that obvious, it would be very hard if not impossible to manipulate people into voting to leave it. The truth is that the benefits of being in the EU were not shared equally. It was very beneficial for the wealthy and highly educated, not so much for normal working people.
TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2022 14:17
Most people voted to Leave because they lacked knowledge and were manipulated into it.
Florenz · 15/10/2022 14:04
What should be looked at is why so many people voted for Brexit. A large proportion of British people didn't see any benefit to us being in the EU. And a lot of people simply had no idea that there were so many people who felt that way, otherwise the referendum wouldn't have happened. Too many people in power live in an echo chamber, they are only around people similar to themselves who think the same way.
TooBigForMyBoots ·
15/10/2022 15:01
Florenz · 15/10/2022 14:33
That's very simplistic and doesn't reflect reality. If being in the EU was so good and the benefits that obvious, it would be very hard if not impossible to manipulate people into voting to leave it. The truth is that the benefits of being in the EU were not shared equally. It was very beneficial for the wealthy and highly educated, not so much for normal working people.
TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2022 14:17
Most people voted to Leave because they lacked knowledge and were manipulated into it.
Florenz · 15/10/2022 14:04
What should be looked at is why so many people voted for Brexit. A large proportion of British people didn't see any benefit to us being in the EU. And a lot of people simply had no idea that there were so many people who felt that way, otherwise the referendum wouldn't have happened. Too many people in power live in an echo chamber, they are only around people similar to themselves who think the same way.
Alondra ·
15/10/2022 15:04
Florenz · 15/10/2022 14:33
That's very simplistic and doesn't reflect reality. If being in the EU was so good and the benefits that obvious, it would be very hard if not impossible to manipulate people into voting to leave it. The truth is that the benefits of being in the EU were not shared equally. It was very beneficial for the wealthy and highly educated, not so much for normal working people.
TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2022 14:17
Most people voted to Leave because they lacked knowledge and were manipulated into it.
Florenz · 15/10/2022 14:04
What should be looked at is why so many people voted for Brexit. A large proportion of British people didn't see any benefit to us being in the EU. And a lot of people simply had no idea that there were so many people who felt that way, otherwise the referendum wouldn't have happened. Too many people in power live in an echo chamber, they are only around people similar to themselves who think the same way.
Blossomtoes ·
15/10/2022 18:55
Endlesssummer2022 · 15/10/2022 06:50
Great article below. Our issues today are a direct result of the Brexit vote. In June 2016 the UK approached the fork in the road and chose to walk down fantasy lane. We cannot damage trade with our closest neighbours and expect to become richer. True sovereignty does not exist as economies are inter-dependent.
Whoever replaces Liz, needs to improve our relationship with the EU. We need realists, grownups and experts back in charge. We also need to be humble and realise we’re not special.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/14/markets-take-back-control-brexit-humiliation-britain-suez
TooBigForMyBoots ·
15/10/2022 19:08
Florenz · 15/10/2022 18:53
I'm not an ardent Brexiter, I just don't think the idea that the EU was good for everyone and that everyone that voted to leave were "uninformed idiots" is correct at all. It clearly wasn't good for everyone, look at how wages have increased for many people since Brexit, look at how many jobs are available nowadays. Being in the EU was great for employers, and great for highly skilled employees. It provided little to no benefit for normal people with an average or lower education, who then had to hear themselves being criticised by employers and the elite of society as being "not as hard working as the immigrants". How one earth was that not going to lead to resentment and a vote to leave the EU when there finally was a chance to do so?
Kendodd ·
15/10/2022 19:20
Florenz · 15/10/2022 18:53
I'm not an ardent Brexiter, I just don't think the idea that the EU was good for everyone and that everyone that voted to leave were "uninformed idiots" is correct at all. It clearly wasn't good for everyone, look at how wages have increased for many people since Brexit, look at how many jobs are available nowadays. Being in the EU was great for employers, and great for highly skilled employees. It provided little to no benefit for normal people with an average or lower education, who then had to hear themselves being criticised by employers and the elite of society as being "not as hard working as the immigrants". How one earth was that not going to lead to resentment and a vote to leave the EU when there finally was a chance to do so?
hadtochangetothisone ·
15/10/2022 19:26
FiveMins · 15/10/2022 08:53
Cameron agreed to Brexit to save his own skin.
Johnson won his majority on a Brexit mandate, he campaigned for Brexit because he made a calculated decision that it would make him more popular.
Austerity was popular with the Tories ideology and neatly hurts the "undeserving" poor the most.
Sadly people are deliberately misled by so much of the media who have an agenda laid out by the richest in society.
YetAnotherNameChange52 ·
15/10/2022 19:36
ClaudineClare · 15/10/2022 11:27
Wales does not have a Tory majority. Out of 40 Westminster seats, the Tories have 14 . In the Senedd they have 16 seats out of 60. Please don't lump us in with England.
Alondra · 15/10/2022 10:30
At some point, you have to stop blaming governments and begin blaming yourselves - the people, the electorate. voting these liars and incompetents in. England, Wales, and NI gave the Tories a majority after all newspapers articles, tv programs and endless discussions in social media reminding people about their Brexit lies.
Even now, most people voting Tory refuse to take responsibility for their vote. There is always an excuse/justification for that vote, except accepting they made a serious mistake.
Brexit is over, finished and the UK is on its own. Hopefully next time the UK electorate vote a government, they will take responsibility who they vote for and their policies, instead of looking for escape goats if the people elected end up being a bunch of incompetents.
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