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Emergency rent freeze laws passed !!??

264 replies

happyfishcoco · 10/10/2022 12:51

Emergency rent freeze laws passed in Scotland
and Welsh maybe follow.

YABU = vote agree to rent freeze
YANBU = vote for not agree to rent freeze

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63164850.amp

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-63131075.amp

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AuntSalli · 11/10/2022 15:00

antelopevalley · 11/10/2022 14:20

Not true. I rented when there was price control. It was far easier to get somewhere to rent than when it was abolished.

And where and when was this ?

Elphame · 11/10/2022 17:38

I've just read the latest bulletin from my Welsh MS. This is frightening

“Because of Welsh Government legislation private landlords are quickly departing the sector, meaning that there are less homes available to rent. In fact, across Wales, it is expected that a further 49% of landlords are planning to sell a property in the next 12 months."

DonnaBanana · 11/10/2022 17:45

I don’t like landlords. But. The last time they passed a law to make it more onerous to be a landlord, a lot of them started selling up and caused the current shortage. So making it even more onerous is going to cause even more problems UNLESS councils or the government buy up the houses being sold and offer them for rent or give them to housing associations. Will they do that?

Lunar270 · 11/10/2022 17:55

DonnaBanana · 11/10/2022 17:45

I don’t like landlords. But. The last time they passed a law to make it more onerous to be a landlord, a lot of them started selling up and caused the current shortage. So making it even more onerous is going to cause even more problems UNLESS councils or the government buy up the houses being sold and offer them for rent or give them to housing associations. Will they do that?

You don't like landlords, which is fair enough but do you prefer the trend of banks and huge financial organisations buying up rental stock instead?

It seems to me that there's a conflict of interest if banks are making huge sums off government ineptitude and rising interest rates. Now the government is pushing to strip wealth from everyday folk and shift it to the banks, again. Double whammy or what!?

Maybe with the exception of John Lewis, I don't see that the rental market will improve under corporate ownership.

Notimetothink · 11/10/2022 19:49

This is what to expect in Scotland. Note it is ALL BUILDINGS.
“In 2019, 62% of homes were owner occupied, of which only 42% were rated as Energy Performance Certificate (EPC) band C or better. We have set out in our Heat in buildings strategy proposals to introduce energy efficiency regulations between 2023 to 2025 requiring all owner occupier homes to be energy efficient, meeting an EPC band C equivalent where technically feasible and cost effective. The Heat in buildings strategy also sets out our proposals mandating all buildings (including owner occupier homes) to switch to a zero-emissions heating system by 2045.”

So boilers will have to come out, and chimneys blocked up.

DonnaBanana · 11/10/2022 19:56

You don't like landlords, which is fair enough but do you prefer the trend of banks and huge financial organisations buying up rental stock instead?

No. I think councils should be buying up properties such that anyone who needs to be on council housing has somewhere to rent.

justasking111 · 11/10/2022 20:00

DonnaBanana · 11/10/2022 19:56

You don't like landlords, which is fair enough but do you prefer the trend of banks and huge financial organisations buying up rental stock instead?

No. I think councils should be buying up properties such that anyone who needs to be on council housing has somewhere to rent.

Our council is deep in the red. We're looking at reducing services and a double figure increase in April n. They can't afford a rabbit hutch

Lunar270 · 11/10/2022 21:12

DonnaBanana · 11/10/2022 19:56

You don't like landlords, which is fair enough but do you prefer the trend of banks and huge financial organisations buying up rental stock instead?

No. I think councils should be buying up properties such that anyone who needs to be on council housing has somewhere to rent.

In an ideal world yes. But this isn't what the government is doing, intentionally or through sheer incompetence.

The government is complicit in shifting wealth from people to big corporations.

Eeksteek · 11/10/2022 22:20

Lunar270 · 11/10/2022 21:12

In an ideal world yes. But this isn't what the government is doing, intentionally or through sheer incompetence.

The government is complicit in shifting wealth from people to big corporations.

It’s not just complicit, it’s the plan. It goes like this.

Ordinary people pay taxes.
Taxes are given to lower income workers via benefits
Big corps pocket benefits via housing benefit, poor worker wages (same productivity, but crappy wages topped up by UC=tax payer paying wages) and profit on things people buy.

People with their fingers in the pie relax on their piles of loot. It’s practically Tory policy, they just don’t put it in the manifesto. They are positively cal of over the interest rates driving profits down. They’ll be able to pick up millions of bargains and then when there’s only a few corporate in any one area, THEN you’ll find out what the benefits of lots of small landlords are. Local monopoly on land owning by a few rich people hadn’t gone so well for the peasants historically. They’ll wring you dry.

You know who won’t have to bring properties up to an EPC of D? Social housing landlords and HMO landlords. There was talk of landlords with more than 8 properties, but I think it was dropped. So while you’re all getting your claws into small landlords, maybe thing about what utter bastards the big ones are. Because they are scapegoating (divide and rule being a triaging out of the wealthy upper classes playbook) small landlord, who are selling up in droves. I say again, you want to live in my house - I’m a widow using btl to replace my late husbands income to work flexible around my child - or would you like to line, say, Jacob Reece-Mogg’s reptilian pockets a bit more?

memoriesofamiga · 11/10/2022 22:49

DonnaBanana · 11/10/2022 19:56

You don't like landlords, which is fair enough but do you prefer the trend of banks and huge financial organisations buying up rental stock instead?

No. I think councils should be buying up properties such that anyone who needs to be on council housing has somewhere to rent.

The public (especially in England) has been voting for council cutbacks since the Tories gained power in 2010. Most councils are on their knees financially. There are no funds to buy and maintain social housing. The public are the turkeys that voted for Christmas.

I agree with @Eeksteek . The current climate is designed for corporation buy up of properties sold by private landlords getting out of the housing market. This will not end well for renters.

Lunar270 · 11/10/2022 23:26

So while you’re all getting your claws into small landlords, maybe thing about what utter bastards the big ones are.

Oh, not from me as, like you, am holding onto my rental out of principle. I totally agree with you and despise the shift in wealth.

I said complicit as I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I suspect DAVOS is a yearly meeting to discuss how us plebs can be stripped of everything.

If you look at how life is changing, ownership of anything of any value is in decline and being replaced by rentals, subscription and engineered obsolescence. And we're letting it happens whilst the wealthy tease us with the great reset. They're actually doing the complete opposite.

DonnaBanana · 12/10/2022 10:26

Individuals don’t have the funds to buy properties outright either, they get mortgages. Councils can borrow money to buy those homes. And since property is such a good long term investment they won’t lose money either.

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 10:47

If anyone has had the misfortune of having to deal with the council, letting them run a property empire, larger than they already do would be a disaster. The rates they pay some trademen, for appauling cheap work is border line criminal.

Regulation on BTL's is the highest it has ever been, the focus should be on landlords that do not follow the legistaltion, and introduce very severe penalties for non compliance / dangerous property.

Lets not assume all landlords are greedy Ferrarri driving scum, there are so many accidental landlords, that are hanging on for dear life. Removing them is the wrong route to take.

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 10:47

DonnaBanana · 12/10/2022 10:26

Individuals don’t have the funds to buy properties outright either, they get mortgages. Councils can borrow money to buy those homes. And since property is such a good long term investment they won’t lose money either.

Who will cover the interest on that loan? Us?

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