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Nursery workers terrifying children

147 replies

Hitatiks · 08/10/2022 13:15

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11288091/Daycare-worker-scares-toddlers-puts-Halloween-mask-SCREAMS-children-bad.html

Has anyone seen this?!
I had to stop watching the video. Its one of the worst things I have ever seen!

The worker deliberately terrifies the children, who are toddlers, by screaming at them in a Halloween mask, they are visibly terrified, screaming, crying, calling for their mothers. At one point she appears to comfort a child by stroking their head, and then screams in their face again. The worker who filmed this said her colleagues had done this previously and she told the managers but no action was taken so she recorded it when they did it again so she could send it to parents.

So here is my AiBU. Am I BU to think that if we valued early years workers more, and they were properly trained professionals with an understanding of child development (like understanding that such young children can't separate fact from fantasy so think a monster is really screaming in their face, or that young children are not 'bad' they are just young and its your job to cope with their behaviour - that is literally your job) then abuses like this would just not happen (yeah I know its America but there are lots of badly paid and poorly trained early years workers here too. I mean, this is not one bad apple. This was done in open sight of colleagues.

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Gottagetthruthissss · 08/10/2022 13:17

I saw this. Felt sick. The sheer terror on those little one's faces is just heartbreaking to watch.

No2coming · 08/10/2022 13:19

That's absolutely awful! If that was my child I would be teaching that woman a lesson or two and see how she likes it.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 08/10/2022 13:20

YANBU that care workers shouldn’t do this.

YABU because nursery workers in this country do need qualifications. No idea about America, and Mississippi in particular.

OlympicProcrastinator · 08/10/2022 13:20

I saw this. I was so disgusted and angry. Scum like that can’t be taught anything. It’s common sense. I would have known not to put a mask on and scream in the face of babies when I was 7. No training necessary. This isn’t a lack of training issue, this is an issue about employing utter scum of humanity.

I wonder how the parents of those little kids reacted. If those workers haven’t been on the receiving end of violence yet I’d be surprised.

Clymene · 08/10/2022 13:20

That woman belongs in prison. She's an absolute psycho

Gottagetthruthissss · 08/10/2022 13:22

But this is NOTHING to do with training EYW better, in my opinion. I'm not an EYW and I would never dream of harming another child.

The adults that did this were sick individuals who should not have been in this profession.

I don't think we should start bending crazy to fit in with the norm. The right person for the job would NEVER have a mindset like this to begin with. It would never have crossed their mind.

Geansai · 08/10/2022 13:25

This is absolutely vile. Shame on those bitches. They need to be removed immediately and never left near children again.

CustardySergeant · 08/10/2022 13:25

Rather than just filming her (although I am glad she has evidence from doing this) one of the other nursery workers should have removed the mask from that woman's face, not let her go from child to child screaming at them!

SwapPlaces · 08/10/2022 13:25

I saw this earlier on Twitter and assumed (hoped) it couldn’t be real then I came across the Daily Mail piece. It made me feel sick to my stomach. It’s really hard to imagine how anyone could be so lacking in empathy that, even if they started doing this for whatever reason, wouldn’t stop in the face of the children’s terror and distress. They looked so scared.

KennAdams · 08/10/2022 13:28

Early years workers do have qualifications. Though some are apprentices working towards a qualification.

I worked in a lovely setting. My colleagues were very knowledgeable of child development and all held childcare qualifications.

This woman is vile. It's your job to protect and nurture these children in your care not terrify them like this.

NotThoseKindOfEggs · 08/10/2022 13:28

What a warped mind that woman must have to think that was appropriate. Those poor kids, I hope their nightmares don’t last forever.

NurseryNurse10 · 08/10/2022 13:32

You don't have to be qualified to be a nursery worker. As long as there are other qualified staff in the room then you can be unqualified and therefore count as part of the staff ratio.
This video does not surprise me. The things I have seen in nurseries also, are truly shocking. I have reported most of the ones I have been to due to various matters but mainly staff yelling at kids, dragging them by the arm, lying to parents about what the kids have done throughout the day etc. Truly awful.

Hitatiks · 08/10/2022 13:33

Yeah, I totally accept that I may be being U. I didn't know where else to put this post, then needed to create a AIBU. I actually have an early years qualification myself.

We do have degree educated EY workers but also (the UK country I am in anyway) a lot of workers with very low qualifications. I guess I was trying to think how anyone could think this was ok, let alone ok enough to do in front of colleagues. Does she not realise that such young children will think that is a real monster attacking them?

I'm just gobsmacked. Why work with children when you are a fucking bully who clearly hates them?

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Imissmoominmama · 08/10/2022 13:35

Fucking knobhead. I hope someone gives her a proportionate fright.

erikbloodaxe · 08/10/2022 13:38

Having a qualification doesn't mean you are a good person. Erm Harold Shipman anyone?

You give your child to strangers, you trust they will take every care with them. You have no control over what your child experiences whilst at a Nursery.

Not all doctors, nurses, midwives, teachers, nursery workers, support workers, health care assistants or those in a supposedly caring profession are necessarily kind and caring.

Goldbar · 08/10/2022 13:39

People don't need qualifications to know that young children should be treated with care, compassion and respect.

This is not about poor training. A lack of hygiene, observation of health and safety standards, interaction or age-appropriate developmental activities, or a failure to safeguard and manage behaviour appropriately... these are all matters which I would have thought could be addressed at least in part through more effective training.

Not cruelty to children though. These people should never work with children again.

shooketh · 08/10/2022 13:39

You don't need qualifications to know that's not right

RedDwarfGarbagePod · 08/10/2022 13:42

YANBU that this was a total cunt move and I genuinely don't know what I would do if an adult did that to my DD(3). I also agree that we need to value EY workers more. One of DD's nursery's staff left to work at Tesco, for more money, more flexibility, and less aggro. That's not right. We entrust these people with our children and it's right that their rate of pay reflects that.

YABU to think that this is anything to do with training, though. Anyone with a modicum of humanity knows that that's an appalling thing to do to little children - and someone who enjoys doing that has something wrong with them as far as I'm concerned.

JustLyra · 08/10/2022 13:44

CustardySergeant · 08/10/2022 13:25

Rather than just filming her (although I am glad she has evidence from doing this) one of the other nursery workers should have removed the mask from that woman's face, not let her go from child to child screaming at them!

I actually think, in this case, filming her was the right thing to do.

They’ve ensured the woman won’t work with kids again - current employer will have to act and no-one will employ her now. Whereas removing the mask would just have stalled her on that occasion. Complaining previously hadn’t been effective.

RedElephants · 08/10/2022 13:46

There is something seriously wrong with that woman, and the one one standing there laughing

I hope all involved get locked up, for a very long time.

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/10/2022 13:46

Clymene · 08/10/2022 13:20

That woman belongs in prison. She's an absolute psycho

This. I am in tears watching it. Poor poor children.

As for training / qualifications. If there are formal qualifications and/or satisfactory training, these can be used as assessment benchmarks.

This country is now run on that basis, I think. For example, I am a BB holder. I asked the person at the door of the local Tesco to tell the people parked in the BB spot not to park there. Idk who he was. Manager, security, not seen him on the till. Apparently he can’t as he isn’t parking enforcement trained. Loop holes you see.

autocollantes · 08/10/2022 13:48

I agree that filming them after she'd reported and nothing had happened, was the right thing to do.

As it's the US, that nursery can surely expect a number of lawsuits following this. I don't like suing culture, but in this instance it's the safest outlet for the rage that parents of those babies must be feeling. And totally justified too.

Liila · 08/10/2022 13:52

'But this is NOTHING to do with training EYW better, in my opinion. I'm not an EYW and I would never dream of harming another child. The adults that did this were sick individuals who should not have been in this profession'

Absolutely this.

It is so disturbing that sick individuals look after kids or vulnerable adults, I bet stuff like this goes on all over. It isn't about training though, as a pp said look at Shipman.

Cctv needs to be everywhere in places like nurseries and carehomes.

Moonflower12 · 08/10/2022 13:53

I am a nursery teacher. That is the most appalling thing I have seen in a very long time. Those poor little ones.
I 'love' my children in my care. I want them to be as happy as possible.

I feel awful if I have had to tell any of them off and make sure they get a cuddle and know they are still valued and cared for.

I think I'm in the majority of nursery workers. We all do the job for the love of it. Not the money, for sure!

Thedogscollar · 08/10/2022 14:05

I have just sat and cried like a baby watching that I just can't understand what goes through another person's head when they see the reaction of those poor children.

That is pure evil no other words just why would you fo that? Those children could be scarred for life. I just cannot fathom why you would think like this it's depraved.