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Nursery workers terrifying children

147 replies

Hitatiks · 08/10/2022 13:15

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11288091/Daycare-worker-scares-toddlers-puts-Halloween-mask-SCREAMS-children-bad.html

Has anyone seen this?!
I had to stop watching the video. Its one of the worst things I have ever seen!

The worker deliberately terrifies the children, who are toddlers, by screaming at them in a Halloween mask, they are visibly terrified, screaming, crying, calling for their mothers. At one point she appears to comfort a child by stroking their head, and then screams in their face again. The worker who filmed this said her colleagues had done this previously and she told the managers but no action was taken so she recorded it when they did it again so she could send it to parents.

So here is my AiBU. Am I BU to think that if we valued early years workers more, and they were properly trained professionals with an understanding of child development (like understanding that such young children can't separate fact from fantasy so think a monster is really screaming in their face, or that young children are not 'bad' they are just young and its your job to cope with their behaviour - that is literally your job) then abuses like this would just not happen (yeah I know its America but there are lots of badly paid and poorly trained early years workers here too. I mean, this is not one bad apple. This was done in open sight of colleagues.

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Ooohyeah · 08/10/2022 15:31

Those poor children, they were absolutely terrified. I don’t think my DD would ever sleep again after seeing that! So cruel!

PurpleWisteria1 · 08/10/2022 15:33

NurseryNurse10 · 08/10/2022 13:32

You don't have to be qualified to be a nursery worker. As long as there are other qualified staff in the room then you can be unqualified and therefore count as part of the staff ratio.
This video does not surprise me. The things I have seen in nurseries also, are truly shocking. I have reported most of the ones I have been to due to various matters but mainly staff yelling at kids, dragging them by the arm, lying to parents about what the kids have done throughout the day etc. Truly awful.

Completely agree.
whilst I find this video awful and at the extreme end, the things I have seen and heard in nurseries are awful. Ranging from roughly handing the children, shouting at them, making them feel silly / small, demeaning them. Ignoring them or telling them to shut up/ swearing at the ones who can’t understand and laughing about calling them awful swear names. All when parents are well out of the way of course. Nice as pie when parents are anywhere near.
Mostly the kids are too young to verbalise or recognise on a more conscious level, they come out ok and smiling and so their parents think their child ‘loves’ nursery. Seen it in various degrees for many many years. Trouble is pay is low, workers come and go and many just don’t give a shit about kids. In fact they dislike kids and they are only doing the job because they can’t think of anything else.
Wouldn’t send my kids there for love nor money. Would rather live in a shack in a cheap area with no money with rather than have to send them there.

HighlandPony · 08/10/2022 15:33

It’s in America. Not here. The only thing they value is guns and greed. Ignore and move on like we should do with 99% of the shit coming from the US. They won’t ever change so why even bother having this discussion? You’re lucky they weren’t sodding shooting at each other

Untitledsquatboulder · 08/10/2022 15:34

I think YABU to suggest this is down to a lack of EY training. No normal person requires training to know this is a sick thing to do. Some safeguarding training for yhe management maybe (I'm sure they has some).

Better pay for EY staff would be well deserved but ime, poor pay hasn't prevented the profession attracting overwhelmingly lovely staff.

ForFlipsSakes · 08/10/2022 15:35

In the nursery I work a couple of years ago there was a new staff member who took a disliking to certain children and would shout at them without reason. As soon as it became apparent all staff members spoke up and she was let go, because other than her we had a great team.

But sometimes you get situations where people like her and the woman in this video are what the majority of the staff in the establishment are like, and so situations like in the video occur where the behaviour is witnessed and encouraged by several accomplices.

Macaroni1924 · 08/10/2022 15:38

I think I’d end up in jail if she they did this to my child. That made me so angry as a mother and a teacher. Surely an instant dismissal and some form of fine. How dare they terrify those poor children, disgusting behaviour.
Nothing to do with proper training even older children have an understanding of how scary things can be for little ones it’s common sense.

ContadoraExplorer · 08/10/2022 15:39

OMG I forced myself to watch that and its horrific and disturbing. Those poor children being subjected to that horrible woman and some staff actually looking on, not stopping her and laughing.

I agree that childcare workers should be paid better than they are, but you don't need to be paid better or even be trained in early years to understand that sort of behaviour is not on and, even if they thought it might be funny the first time, the reactions of the children clearly shows its not so why carry on.

😔😔😔

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/10/2022 15:40

OlympicProcrastinator · 08/10/2022 14:20

Well she’s been fired and posted the fakest, shittiest, minimising apology later.

Scum. Absolute scum.

Where is this? She apologised in written form or showing face?

PurpleWisteria1 · 08/10/2022 15:41

HighlandPony · 08/10/2022 15:33

It’s in America. Not here. The only thing they value is guns and greed. Ignore and move on like we should do with 99% of the shit coming from the US. They won’t ever change so why even bother having this discussion? You’re lucky they weren’t sodding shooting at each other

What a lovely attitude.
Tiny kids being traumatised and abused but it’s somewhere else so let’s just ignore it and move on shall we?
Disgusting. Don’t think it takes a genius to guess how much good you contribute to society via voluntary work and donations.

inappropriateraspberry · 08/10/2022 15:43

This is nothing to do with qualifications, and all to do with common sense and empathy. Of course a young child will be scared. It may be funny for the adults to see their reaction, but not for the children. I hope they are closed down. It makes you wonder what else they have been doing.
I couldn't watch the whole film, it's awful.

ChipsforMe · 08/10/2022 15:45

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 08/10/2022 13:20

YANBU that care workers shouldn’t do this.

YABU because nursery workers in this country do need qualifications. No idea about America, and Mississippi in particular.

No they dont
about 50% of them do

3.34. For children aged three and over in registered early years provision where a person with Qualified Teacher Status, Early Years Professional Status, Early Years Teacher Status or another approved level 6 qualification, is working directly with the children39:
• there must be at least one member of staff for every 13 children
• at least one other member of staff must hold an approved level 3 qualification

3.35. For children aged three and over at any time in registered early years provision when a person with Qualified Teacher Status, Early Years Professional Status, Early Years Teacher Status or another approved level 6 qualification is not working directly with the children:
• there must be at least one member of staff for every eight children
• at least one member of staff must hold an approved level 3 qualification
• at least half of all other staff must hold an approved level 2 qualification

Hitatiks · 08/10/2022 15:45

HighlandPony · 08/10/2022 15:33

It’s in America. Not here. The only thing they value is guns and greed. Ignore and move on like we should do with 99% of the shit coming from the US. They won’t ever change so why even bother having this discussion? You’re lucky they weren’t sodding shooting at each other

This is our and out racist.

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ForFlipsSakes · 08/10/2022 15:46

@HighlandPony.

What a strange take. Like it or not in many ways the USA and UK are very culturally similar. Fair enough if it doesn’t interest you because it didn’t happen over here, but let others discuss it if they want to. Many of us on MN have children of nursery age or work in the childcare sector, so obviously want to discuss it. Why even waste your time writing that comment?

MayThe4th · 08/10/2022 15:48

I haven’t watched it because I A, refuse to open anything associated with the daily mail, but more importantly, I refuse to give a video of child abuse clicks.

It goes without saying that anyone abusing and terrifying small children in such a setting is the lowest of the low.

But this video has now been turned into click bate. And while people might watch it and be horrified by it, by spreading it around the world you can be sure that some people will watch it and get off on it.

This was the states, there is literally no reason why anyone should be watching a child abuse video and spreading it around the internet where you have no idea who is watching, and what their response might be.

Beepbeepenergy · 08/10/2022 15:49

Omg I want to stamp on this bitches face.. I would stamp her fucking face off :(

HighlandPony · 08/10/2022 15:55

ForFlipsSakes · 08/10/2022 15:46

@HighlandPony.

What a strange take. Like it or not in many ways the USA and UK are very culturally similar. Fair enough if it doesn’t interest you because it didn’t happen over here, but let others discuss it if they want to. Many of us on MN have children of nursery age or work in the childcare sector, so obviously want to discuss it. Why even waste your time writing that comment?

Because like most things in the US it would be very unlikely to happen here. It’s like us all sitting about discussing active shooter drills or entire counties of Mormons or tv evangelists etc. I say it because I despise the culture of the US, I’m sick of hearing my kids glorifying the US like it’s something special and this is just more of the same. I lived in the US as a kid and we’re not the same. Nowhere in the uk - not even in the western isles would the happenings of the Bible Belt be tolerated.

antelopevalley · 08/10/2022 15:58

YABU,
This happened in America.
In Britain nursery workers are trained although not paid enough.

Mysterian · 08/10/2022 15:59

Nurseries are shutting because they can't find staff. Often they have to resort to the real dregs of who's available just to stay open. I've worked with people who don't seem to like children, shouters, staff who move less than the furniture, one who threatened the children with cancelling Christmas. Until you have many more people who want jobs than there are vacencies nurseries will keep having to employ the 'least worst' people rather than the best.

antelopevalley · 08/10/2022 15:59

And in the US daycare standards can be terrifyingly low.
UK childcare is expensive for a reason.

eltonjohnsglasses · 08/10/2022 15:59

What an knobend, who does this?!

antelopevalley · 08/10/2022 16:01

ChipsforMe · 08/10/2022 15:45

No they dont
about 50% of them do

3.34. For children aged three and over in registered early years provision where a person with Qualified Teacher Status, Early Years Professional Status, Early Years Teacher Status or another approved level 6 qualification, is working directly with the children39:
• there must be at least one member of staff for every 13 children
• at least one other member of staff must hold an approved level 3 qualification

3.35. For children aged three and over at any time in registered early years provision when a person with Qualified Teacher Status, Early Years Professional Status, Early Years Teacher Status or another approved level 6 qualification is not working directly with the children:
• there must be at least one member of staff for every eight children
• at least one member of staff must hold an approved level 3 qualification
• at least half of all other staff must hold an approved level 2 qualification

That is the law for school nurseries. Non-school nurseries have stricter rules.

ForFlipsSakes · 08/10/2022 16:01

@HighlandPony.

I have also lived in the USA and agree that many things are different (though I’d still say general there are similarities), but this isn’t about Mormons or active shooters is it? I work in childcare and have met many unsavourable characters in it for the wrong reasons, here in the UK. I’ve seen how people go into the job for a power trip, as clearly is shown in that video.

What has your children’s opinion of the USA got to do with anything? We’re a forum of grown adults discussing something. If you don’t want to discuss the USA just close the thread and move on.

MayThe4th · 08/10/2022 16:02

Hitatiks · 08/10/2022 15:45

This is our and out racist.

Rubbish.

This is the country where abortion is practically illegal, where the Christian far right have mass controll in many parts, and where school shootings are routine.

Let’s not pretend that the US is anything like the UK because it isn’t.

Spencerfloral · 08/10/2022 16:03

Hitatiks · 08/10/2022 15:45

This is our and out racist.

Thank you for calling this out. Not only is it incorrect about America, it’s hurtful to read.

HighlandPony · 08/10/2022 16:04

MayThe4th · 08/10/2022 16:02

Rubbish.

This is the country where abortion is practically illegal, where the Christian far right have mass controll in many parts, and where school shootings are routine.

Let’s not pretend that the US is anything like the UK because it isn’t.

Second this. The best way to deal with the US is to leave them to their own devices. They haven’t changed since the 18th century and won’t start now

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