Would you support a junior doctor strike?

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NC for this. To be clear, during the last strike, non training grade doctors were in hospitals etc as were consultants. Emergency work continued and A+E was functioning. The background to the dispute is that JDs want pay restoration to the levels in 2008/09 and the BMA has been attempting to engage with the government for a while without any acknowledgement. There is a staffing and retention crisis with more and more doctors leaving the country every year. Those of us still around are pretty burnt out from the last 2 years and things are getting worse - this includes patient care.

@memorial that's interesting!!! He is a GP in NI I'm
Wondering now if he's stretching the truth

I don’t believe you. No FY1 is earning £160ph - consultants cost much less than that (£108ph for a nightshift in our trust).

I also don’t think you can work for a locum agency as an FY1 as you are meant to be working under supervision.

£160 for the whole nightshift, for an in-house bank shift, maybe.

I came on to say the same thing. Worked through the last one and we managed fine so they can crack on and have a few days off if they fancy it.

I would support a senior / whole doctor strike about conditions and workload - same goes for nursing and carers

He is definitely lying then. You can’t work as a GP as a newly-qualified junior doctor, you need to be on the GP register. Which means completing at least five years of training (two years of foundation training, three years GPVTS).

What is your solution to the pay being downgraded once you’ve entered the profession?!

I asked them that a few pages back, funnily enough they never responded…

35% pay erosion over the last 10-12 years

didnt enter into the profession expecting that, no

To be fair I thought newly qualified GP. I guess OOH antisocial may get 130/hr if very large areas/short staffed

I wouldn’t believe a word of that re newly qualified getting that. I have only rarely heard of those sort of rates for agency consultants in serious shortage services eg CAMHS. The trusts would fall foul of financial governance if they gave this to a newly qualified doctor - they are accountable to the trust board for their spending. This is nonsense.

CAMHS consultants in unfillable posts ( so have been advertised and not filled over extended time). The CAMHS. Consultants will have done FY s, core training and specialty training, so you are talking 10
years after qualifying as a doctor and on the GMC specialist register

Yes I'd support it, because what they are ultimately striking for is better healthcare for all of us.

The running down of conditions and pay for HCPs is ruining our healthcare system.

No newly qualified F1 is earning money as a locum because you cannot work with a provisional GMC registration (it's provisional for the first year) - they are only able to cover extra shifts in the hospital they are training in. Even hospital consultants do not earn £160 per hour so please stop spreading misinformation. Out of hours QUALIFIED GPs can get around £100 or just over that per hour for working in urgent care centres (out of hours being the key words) because nobody wants to do those jobs. The hourly rate depends on the region e.g. Cumbria more than central London.

Every single doctor who is not a consultant is 'a junior doctor'.

Honestly, you don't know how often you want to come round and look into the eyes of the senior registrar, not the consultant m, at the pointy ends of medicine.

They should not be called junior doctor at all

Remember to get this printed on a bracelet for your 3am Emergency admission.

I have a friend whose son is earning a lot of cash as a locum/agency doctor in NI. Poss £160 ph pre tax. But how fekken sustainable is THAT? He's taking advantage of not right now needing to be seen to be schmoozing, and working, via hard, expensive exams- his way up. And who wouldn't? He gets given the shite shifts, as you might, but it's no way to run a health service. Utterly unsustainable.

Where I work, in radiology, very comfortable Home Counties, 1/5- 1/4 of our radiography staff are £60ph agency. Cos no one wants the shite hours, low moral, £50k student debt- surrounded by 'variously trained' international, with a relative 20% pay cut, over the last 12 years.

Should add, he's in his late 20s, not F1 by any means.

I agree, it totally misrepresents who they are and what they do.

God this yes absolutely!!!!

Absolutely agree with pp. it’s not a race to the bottom with respect to workers rights and pay. We should celebrate those with a good deal, because they set the benchmark for the rest of us.

also who on earth thought it was a good idea to name senior house officers , Junior Doctors. What a way to trivialise a professional person.

Just saw this from the FT and thought it would be helpful for people who don't fully understand the RT paycut issue and why we want to go on strike

Junior doctors are still in training positions. They will earn well in a few years.

It's not fair that they're so poorly paid and have such massive time demands and responsibilities for so many years while 'training' though.

Bless you.. 😅