Possible benefit fraud and cms

[Lalala1]

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I know benefit fraud threads have been done quite frequently some think report some say mind your own business anyway

I'm unsure wether to report this or not as don't know for certain just wanted others views

So not to drip feed this is about my children's father and wife it's not about me being bitter more the principle so ex doesn't see kids at all his choice but contacts me sporadically I went through cms even though I knew he was on universal credit and it would be £7 a week like I said principle he still didn't pay or waited till I txt him and then pay late so he was put on collect and pay it got took from his UC so one month a payment never came so I contacted cms to be told he's not on UC anymore they will investigate to find out why and if he's working that was fine. He then contacted me and I mentioned payments stopped he said aw he messed up told up he was working self employed when he wasn't to get them off his back with interviews and it backfired so his UC claim was stopped Idiot! Anyway I'm confused as far as I'm aware it should have been a joint claim(I'm not interested in her finances) so my question is if it's a joint claim his if wouldn't have been stopped? which now makes me think they were both claiming separately what do people think? He's definitely not claiming anymore and definitely not working so as far as cms are concerned he's got no income yet rents, drives a car as another child living with them so can a married couple claim separately or can he be kicked off the claim alone? Hope that makes sense

I have no worries reporting him for benefit fraud but only if I'm 100% sure

My guess is she couldn't give a shit about what her ex does.. she would just like him to contribute something towards his own children as any dad should .. why is that so difficult to comprehend???

No one seems to see that it directly affects my children somehow

This is the post I am referring to in my previous post !!!

And you're refusing to see that your revenge could directly affect your children even more negatively.

@NeverDropYourMooncup

Have they considered our children when they decided they would commit benefit fraud to "benefit their household therefore their child" ?

@NeverDropYourMooncup

It's not revenge! How are u not getting this? If I wanted revenge I'd have done something g years ago! I don't care what he's doing except this directly affect our children

How will me reporting him for fraud do anything to my children negatively? Please explain

To paraphrase your earlier post, have you even read the posts explaining this?

Every way you look at this, if he has committed fraud and is no longer doing so, reporting ensures that they have less money coming into the household in the future - probably permanently if either receives a conviction or a long term sanction, as they take decades to repay. If they have less money, because, as you say, people can't live on fresh air, there is no money to send your way. If she is in receipt of UC, that'll stop for a compliance investigation, so there will be less money coming in, so no chance of anything being sent your way.

He will not be made to pay you more money retrospectively.

And he could easily be telling you one story when the truth is far simpler - that her income has gone up, so they don't receive UC, he is not working due to providing childcare for his youngest child, not receiving any income of his own and he therefore is perfectly legally not liable for any CMS payments and you're therefore wasting your time for somebody in compliance to look them up, see no benefits are being claimed and close the case down without any further action.

In short, you're wasting your time and potentially ensuring that you don't receive a penny in CMS from him for the rest of their childhoods.

@NeverDropYourMooncup

You obviously haven't read my posts as I've explained I know for certain it's nothing to do with her income he's shown me his uc journal he wouldn't have had to look for work which he definitely has been made to if he was looking after their child as he's only 2.

You keep going on about me not getting any money from this it's not about that I don't care or expect any more money I've never relied on his contribution and never will.

You also ok keep going in about the implications to her household and her child if I report him what has that got to do with me? Why would I have to worry about the consequences for their child when they have no concerns about our children? Like I've said j don't know if she's claiming ur she's a pharmacist who knows her income I don't care but he defiantly has been claiming UC and been made to look for work that I do know and cms have told me his UC claim has stopped and they are looking into it.

I'm not going to waste my time explaining my reasons I asked here if it sounded suspicious not to be given a lecture on letting deadbeats get away with providing for their child and being told it will affect their child/household so I shouldn't do it!

Our children don't get anything just now anyway so they ain't losing anything and when they did it was £7 a week actually £6.42 to be exact a big £3.21 each like I've said it's principle!

@NeverDropYourMooncup

So in a nutshell your basically saying I shouldn't report him because it will be detrimental to her, their child and their household and poor them will have less money and that will be my fault.... not theirs for committing fraud and to top it off our children have just to suck it up and be disadvantaged by "their lifestyle choices" because if I report him then it will damage our children In the future yeah?

I'm very team 'report if fraud is going on' but this doesn't sound fraudulent to me. They couldn't have claimed as two single people whilst living in the same home? The address and joint child would give that away surely?
Are you sure he wasnt receiving job seekers which is different to a joint claim? That can be claimed without UC

No it's definitely UC

And there's lots of people living in same home committing benefit fraud it's just wether u get caught. They lived with a family member after they married so he could still be using that address like I said I do not know if she's claiming UC it could have just been him claiming as she works with a decent job. What I do know is if they were claiming a joint claim one of them wouldn't be made to actively look for work as the child is under 3 but he was made to look for work so somethings not right

@KalvinPhillipsBoots why don’t you get a life?

Sort of. But not in the fluffy bunny 'don't be mean to the OW' context you seem to think it is.

Hurting them on the offchance that he might have got a job if there was only his wife's salary coming in (so something unproveable, as he didn't have a job) will ensure that you will receive no/only severely restricted CMS in the future if he was indeed committing fraud. So it's damaging to you financially, as it means there would be no hope of his CMS payments restarting or increasing.

They could have made a joint claim if she was only working part time - they could have then said 'the kid has a mother working part time. She doesn't have to look for more hours, but you have to look for work'. All perfectly legally. And then, perhaps because her hours have increased, he could then say 'we've decided that I'm going to look after the child' or UC notified them that they now earn too much and the claim was automatically closed. You can't access a claim for screenshots or otherwise once it's been closed. And there are limits on the information about a partner that are visible to the other claimant. So you can't see what the situation is now or what the circumstances were that she declared.

It's not so much suck it up as it is 'the consequences of you making this report in anger could damage you financially and for far longer than you think'.

For somebody who says they don't care and don't need a penny off him, you seem to be very interested in his financial situation and that of his wife. It's understandable to be pissed off if you're skint whilst he has married somebody with a good income, but thinking about what he might have done if he hadn't fallen in love with somebody else or if she hadn't been prepared to support him or whatever is actually going on there - well, it's clearly not doing you good. And emotions aren't the same as principles.

For somebody who says they don't care and don't need a penny off him, you seem to be very interested in his financial situation and that of his wife. It's understandable to be pissed off if you're skint whilst he has married somebody with a good income, but thinking about what he might have done if he hadn't fallen in love with somebody else or if she hadn't been prepared to support him or whatever is actually going on there - well, it's clearly not doing you good. And emotions aren't the same as principles.

This full paragraph of crap that u have wrote is ridiculous I'm only interested in HIS financial situation because he should be providing for our children. Let me make this clear I couldn't care less he's married I couldn't care less about her income she is irrelevant to me and this situation the only emotion I have is anger quite rightly as a father should be providing for his kids wether thats 1p or £1 million makes no difference to me as I'm not skint as u think I am.

And just for reference she wasn't the OW I left him although don't know how that makes any difference

I'll be ignoring u now as u genuinely seem to be attacking me for no reason and commenting things that have nothing to do with my OP have a nice night