Possible benefit fraud and cms

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I know benefit fraud threads have been done quite frequently some think report some say mind your own business anyway

I'm unsure wether to report this or not as don't know for certain just wanted others views

So not to drip feed this is about my children's father and wife it's not about me being bitter more the principle so ex doesn't see kids at all his choice but contacts me sporadically I went through cms even though I knew he was on universal credit and it would be £7 a week like I said principle he still didn't pay or waited till I txt him and then pay late so he was put on collect and pay it got took from his UC so one month a payment never came so I contacted cms to be told he's not on UC anymore they will investigate to find out why and if he's working that was fine. He then contacted me and I mentioned payments stopped he said aw he messed up told up he was working self employed when he wasn't to get them off his back with interviews and it backfired so his UC claim was stopped Idiot! Anyway I'm confused as far as I'm aware it should have been a joint claim(I'm not interested in her finances) so my question is if it's a joint claim his if wouldn't have been stopped? which now makes me think they were both claiming separately what do people think? He's definitely not claiming anymore and definitely not working so as far as cms are concerned he's got no income yet rents, drives a car as another child living with them so can a married couple claim separately or can he be kicked off the claim alone? Hope that makes sense

I have no worries reporting him for benefit fraud but only if I'm 100% sure

Honestly some people don't know about the carer thing it cropped up in one of my groups and took us awhile to work out why

If she is working depending on how much she earns he may not be entitled to any benefits because UC will see him as a joint couple
If he is no longer claiming universal credit then there’s nothing That CMS can do
If you think he’s self-employed and Getting cash in hand then it will be really hard to prove.
You can call the fraud hotline or report benefit fraud online Stating that you think that he is working cash in hand And she hasn’t declared it on her universal credit
If he is self-employed and NOT getting cash in hand CMS can still ask him to pay based on his tax returns but Your post seemed to imply that he is self-employed and not declaring it to anyone.
regardless though he must be getting some sort of income for himself there is no way that he will be living without a penny going to him and as a good father he should continue paying £7 a week even if it comes from his ex partner who should be giving him some sort of allowance if he’s not working and not entitled to universal credit because she works.. My friend and his wife ( who earns good money ) were claiming universal credit and he did get some for him In his account

Sorry Gettin the £7 from his new partner not X

@Isaidnoalready

No I never even though about that till your post

Me and him both worked full time when together he stopped work a while after we separated always provided for kids up till then he then went on to UC and our cms changed accordingly then he met her got married within a year and the cms amount has always stayed at the £7

@Isaidnoalready

Posted too soon!

So he's was on UC before he met her a honestly believe they haven't then changed to a joint claim and he's since getting married continued to claim as a single person

This is incorrect universal credit require all claimants to look for work regardless of how old the child is
There is no such thing as income support anymore that is an old system
There also is no such thing as One person being put down as the main carer for the child so not required to look for work - no such thing OP
seeing as his benefits stopped it is obvious that she is the one who has been put down as the main carer not him so universal credit will have been asking him to look for work . Why did his benefit stop then? Either she earns too much for him to be able to receive it or he Has declared that he is working and in that case CMS can investigate

She's definitely working and in a good profession that's why I am now thinking his claim is fraudulent as he's been on ice and been paying cms through collect and pay from his in since before he met her.

Thanks for the info but I know he's not working at all not even cash in hand he's quite literally not receiving any money now unless from her which is fine I'm not expecting or even wanting anything from her obviously but it's the fact they will have been better of for the past two years as claiming fraudulently and because of that he's not had to bother making any effort to get a job to provide for our 2 kids. In my mind if they hadn't been claiming separately they financially wouldn't be in the position of him needing to work and/or they would be claiming together and her working and him still receiving uc while caring for their child .

In a nutshell really he's got away with staying on IC for 2 years because they have been claiming separately

It is her business - the father should be paying towards his children - and not just what the CMS says he should either!

@Banana2079

That's not true both parents dont need to be working or look for work 1 of them is classed as caregiver for child and when child turns 3 they are put on light touch to prepare for looking for work.

She works definitely and his UC claim stopped not because her income was too high his claim stopped because he reported him working when he wasn't because he thought it would make them stop making him look for work I know this because he told me and also because cms told me he reported paid employment to UC therefore his claim stopped but he only done it thinking they would stop making him look for work and continue to pay him some UC

I'm sorry but that is inaccurate.

In a couple one person is named main carer for children, someone who is the main carer is not expected to work at all if the child is under 3 and then it is limited hours until the child is 12.

In addition, if one partner earns the equivalent of 35 times the minimum wage per week then the other partner will not be expected to work at all even when the kids are older.

It would make no financial sense for him to come off a joint claim. They would get approx an extra £200 a month so even taking out £28 for maintenance they would be better off.

A healthy single man wouldn't have been able to stay on UC for two years without having to do very intensive work search and would face being sanctioned if he didn't comply.

It is possible that he is a cocklodger who does not work and lives off his new partner. My ex did this while working cash in hand so he didn't have to pay me anything.

If he reported paid employment through UC they would base the payment on what HMRC reports to them, if HMRC report 0 earnings then his UC claim could continue.

It is her business. He installing support for his children

Isn't paying

If she's supporting him (for example, because she's increased her hours and now isn't eligible for anything or because he dropped his claim for any reason), it's not her job to support your children.

Even if she is claiming for both of them, you reporting a possible historical fraud would only have the effect of penalising their toddler, it wouldn't get you any money.

Is hurting a toddler worth it for a feeling of revenge?

Have u even read the thread?

I know the reason his claim has stopped I've said it and it's not because her hours or income. I wouldn't want a single penny of her even if we were destitute! I've nothing against their child but our children are my priority and if the reason he's been sitting on uc benefits for the past few years is because he's no financial reason to need to work as they are claiming separately through benefit fraud therefore receiving more money than they are entitled to at the detriment of our children as he's not finding work to provide for them also then yeah I will report them why should I worry about them? And it's not historical fraud his claim stopped last month after years and if they were claiming separately then her claim is still going as a single parent it's not revenge it's plain wrong

Get on with your own life.

I am thanks while also fully supporting and raising our children you know the ones that are his responsibility too

Honestly can tell a lot from people replies on mn

Yes it sounds fraudulent to me.and I would report it. Why the hell should deadbeat parents get away without paying for their children

If you live together as a couple it has to be a joint claim. However if she's earning then they may not be entitled depending on her income which is likely over the threshold if a graduate position.. The fact that he has been required to do a job search means that he is receiving UC so it sounds like he's pulling a fast one and pretending he's single.

How much do you reckon you will get if they are unable to work due to fraud convictions and/or any UC she is receiving is stopped due to a lengthy sanction?

Think about it.

@NeverDropYourMooncup

It's not about receiving more money i said in my OP it's principle!

By your comment that means that no one should ever report benefit fraud because they don't get anything financially by doing so

She is a graduate with a good job so I don't know if she's receiving UC but if I report this it's HIM I'm reporting not her and if by me reporting him then she is caught committing fraud also then that's her fault.

I came on here to ask others opinion on wether it was suspicious because something is off with it all and wether u agree or not his choices re: not working and now not receiving UC has a direct effect on our children he should be providing for our children wether that's £7 a week because he's "looking for work" on uc or working

@NeverDropYourMooncup

This isn't about her it's about him and our children

You’ve just said it’s £7 a week so it’s not really about him and his children is it ?

A lot of people on MN are very anti reporting of benefits fraud. Probably because they are scamming the system themselves and think it’s ok to do so.

What do u mean?

Yes it's £7 a week as he was on benefits but it could have been £1 a week or £100 a week and it still would be about him and our children he should be providing for them or looking for work to provide for them but if he's been committing benefit fraud then he's had no incentive to make an effort to get a job as financially he hasn't had to

Could you not just report it and they'll investigate and decide?