Bring back capital punishment?

[LittleMaroonRidingHood]

This thread was prompted by the news item about a possible discovery of the remains of a victim of the 'Moors Murderers'.

Should Capital Punishment be re-instated for murder ?

YABU - The value of the offender's life should not be negated by the offender's crime.
YANBU - When someone sets out with intent to deprive someone of their life, then they automatically forfeit the right to get any older.

When I think about this topic, I can't help thinking about it in a totally emotional way. Do I want these people who murder children, or anyone for that matter (in cold blood), to suffer? Yes. Would I want someone who killed one of my loved ones to die in the most horrific way? Absolutely!

There can't be emotion in law though. For this reason and the fact that innocent people have been convicted and killed, I oppose the death penalty. I do think a life sentence should mean for the rest of their life though.

Anyone who’s looked at this in any detail, and with any seriousness, thinks capital punishment is a bad idea.

Anyone else either hasn’t given it full consideration, or is a fool.

I heavily researched capital punishment during my degree years, and am most definitely against it. Ths concept is not only hypocritical by nature, but retributionist.

Albert Pierrepoont himself wrote in his memoirs that he did not believe it to be an effective deterrent. Considering the sheer amount of people he hanged as Britains most prolific executioner, I think we should leave it well alone. As an above poster commented, emotion should stay out of law.

You cite the cases of rehabilitation working as intended as your argument that rehabilitation doesn't work. A bold approach, but perfectly in keeping with the usual paucity of thinking that goes hand-in-hand with advocating capital punishment.

This, its a lot of money to keep them locked up they are a drain on society.
Money spent better elsewhere.

There are corrupt police. As long as they are focused on solving crime numbers, the wrong people can and will be punished. For that reason alone. No. Never.

Make them live. But also some criminals deserve treatment and the chance to be better human beings. But they won't get that in our prison systems.

Also, it's wrong and it doesn't work as a deterrent.

While corruption is a factor, there is also plain old human error.

Despite the costs involved in long term incarceration there is no place for the death penalty in a civilised society

Very strongly opposed to capital punishment here.

I hate the hyperbole around 'what if YOUR child was raped' - I was that child - knowing my abuser would be killed if I spoke up would have silenced me forever - I couldn't have lived with that - and I was the 'victim' not my parents.

If you know the penalty for rape is death by the way - why would you risk leaving a witness? So murder would likely increase.

No one has the right to kill another human being - including the state

aside from that - it doesn't bloody work - look at countries that have the death penalty - are you suggesting they have no violent crime?

and it's cost MORE than locking someone up for life.

Agree about the Norwegian model btw

@SoupDragon
Are you planning to come back and comment on your own thread @LittleMaroonRidingHood

No.

Too many mistakes are made in our justice system.
I wouldn’t want to live in that type of society.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I won't vote because neither of your statements are correct. It is not about whether one persons life is worth more than another persons. The death sentence deters nobody; and the majority of murders are committed either by people who are ill, or in the heat of stupidity / anger - very few are planned and thought out or intentional. If they were, there wouldn't be as many murders.

For those who ask why we keep them alive, we do so because (a) we are a civilised country (supposedly, although I do sometimes wonder about that), (b) if killing people is wrong then it is as wrong for us to do it in the name of justice as it was for them to kill, and (c) because we still get things wrong and it is bloody hard to raise someone from the dead or say sorry when justice screws up and convicts the wrong person - if you execute even one wrong person that is one too many.

The case of Stefan Kisxko is the single most compelling reason for never bringing back the death penalty. But it's really only drivelling idiots who clamour for the death penalty, anyway.

And prejudice!

Yes. Too many ways to end up convicting an innocent.

Kiszko

You would actually be happy to torture someone?

You are sick.

Give the state the power to decide if you live or die? Not a chance.

Dna has come om along way and there are cameras everywhere.
The trouble about not putting ppl to death is that the problem arises when they want to come out. There's appeals etc and nobody knows what to do.
Some people are let out and commit crime again which shows how badly scummy some people are. They don't fear prison.
Parole boards get in in the neck etc, people out outraged.
At least if your not going to hang people then keep them inside forever.
Then there's no appeals and no worries anymore.
Nowadays it's not uncommon for people to only serve 12 years for murder. It's a pisstake.

No. The type of people who are in full support of it almost always know their 'type' wouldn't be at risk of any systemic failures. Similarly to how I'm thankful our police force aren't routinely armed - because I know the odds of me or my relatives being shot for merely looking suspicious would go through the roof. And in anycase death is the easy way out.

nice.

Didn't the moores murders take place before capital punishment was abolished? Or thereabouts? If so, it wasn't much of a deterrent.

You have the same attitude toward your fellow humans as the perpetrators!