Bring back capital punishment?

[LittleMaroonRidingHood]

This thread was prompted by the news item about a possible discovery of the remains of a victim of the 'Moors Murderers'.

Should Capital Punishment be re-instated for murder ?

YABU - The value of the offender's life should not be negated by the offender's crime.
YANBU - When someone sets out with intent to deprive someone of their life, then they automatically forfeit the right to get any older.

This is a good point. I read something a while ago from a Dr in America who had be present at several deaths of people on death row. It was a burden and he regretted it.

Very going point. We are authorising individual to kill or burdening multiple people by employing them to be involved. I can imagine any healthy person being able to do that without it affecting them.

No because it's state sanctioned murder and there's always the possibility of mistakes, person turns out to be innocent. That is horrible.
Plus it's uncivilised, and not an effective detterent - look at Texas, highest rate of executions but also the highest number of homicides I've heard. Or something like that.

I do believe there should be more whole life tariffs though, which seem to be the exception in the UK.

No as awful as really bad things can be I wouldn’t go to that

Lots of people would. They just need a way for it to be acceptable.

Murder is wrong, whether the state does it or an individual does.
Capital punishment isn't justice it's revenge.
We already seem to be going back in time with food banks and blaming people for being poor. if we bring back capital punishment it really will feel as though we are back in Victorian times.

Agree
Torture is a terrible idea too

I think if an offender is 100% proven to have committed numerous horrific offences (i.e: rape, murder, torture, crimes involving children) and it isn't possible to rehabilitate them, then we should offer them the choice between execution and being banished to a prison colony. The prison colony would be a single-sex island and you'd work and live like you might anywhere else, just no internet or link to the outside world. Offenders would work, helping to make it a financially self-sustaining colony. That way they can live, and the only risk they'd pose is to each other, and they maybe wouldn't cost the taxpayer so much either

Have you looked at America recently? It doesn’t work as a deter any so no, the state should not do this.

You need to do far more research on capital punishment. It's not a deterrent, it's more expensive, it's systemically racist, a large proportion of people on death row are found to be innocent of their crimes. Not the way forward, we aren't barbarians.

I like the way that your OP assumes to know what everyone thinks one way or the other 🙄

Its not about ‘the value of the offenders life’. Certainly in my case. I don’t want to live in a country where the state kills people, thanks. Justice shouldn’t be about revenge.

And there are miscarriages of justice sometimes.

Capital punishment still existed in the UK when Brady and Hindley were murdering. So the deterrent argument is bollocks.

And for every other reason, it's a no.

I’m making the point that those are reasons for not having capital punishment. It’s a stupid idea @floorida

I agree.

Its understandable to feel that way. I think most normal people do, but that doesn’t mean we’d be happy to torture people. Some of the replies here concern me 😬

YANBU

Vote should have just been a straight yes or no.

Yeah pretty much. I'd say it's indicative there's something seriously wrong with them

No because one wrong guilty verdict is one too many.

1. How do you 100% prove it?
2. At what point does it become 'numerous horrific offences' - two times? three? four? Who decides and what is 'horrific' enough?
3. Once you have this in place how do you ensure you prevent a slippery slope whereby sometimes it is not 100% proven, in a few years' time, once we are used to the death penalty being a thing and standards start to slide (as inevitably happens)?
4. If you're giving the option of 'prison colony' why do you also need execution to be in there - people would not choose it over this option.
5. Why is it single sex? So we need two islands?
6. Who is overseeing this (you say 'the only risk they pose is to each other' but presumably somebody is there to enforce some kind of order?)
7. Where is this magical island going to be?

Sorry but I think this is a little flawed.

No. Because it’s barbaric.
No. Because one innocent person executed in error is one too many.
No. Because no one should live their life knowing a loved one is to be executed.

No. Because no one should ever see the day their loved one is to be executed.

Life should mean life and hard labour . Having said that for child murderers , emergency services and serial killers then I'd support the death penalty. Some people are too heinous to expect mercy or rehabilitation.

Death to the emergency services!?

Seems a bit much

See, I don't understand why the murder of someone in the emergency services is more outrageous than any other murder, and why that would be more worthy of the DP than any other, if someone supports that.

Executing people is not civilised.

If we execute murderers we are being reactionary and allowing our moral standards to be influenced by those whose moral standards are the very lowest. It demeans us.

Murderers kill, a civilised society does not.