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To tell you this is what the Government think of carers, in black and white!

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lockedonwhole · 29/09/2022 11:09

Not sure if someone has posted already

This is the government response to the petition about carers being paid better

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Increase Carer's Allowance to equal 35hrs at National Minimum Wagee_”.
Government responded:
Carer’s Allowance is a benefit that provides some financial recognition that a carer may not be able to work full-time. It is part of a range of support based on individual needs, rather than a wage.
This Government recognises the very important role that unpaid and family carers make in providing significant care and continuity of support to family and friends on a daily basis.
It is however, important to emphasise that Carer’s Allowance is not intended to be a replacement for a wage nor a payment for the services of caring and is therefore not comparable with either the National Minimum Wage or the National Living Wage. The principal purpose of Carer's Allowance is to provide a measure of financial support and recognition for people who choose to give up the opportunity of full-time work to provide regular care for a severely disabled person. It has never been the role of the Government to pay people for the tasks they undertake, voluntarily, in the way that an employer would, and this Government has no plans to change that principle. Instead, successive Governments have supported carers through allowances and benefits as well as wider cross-government actions.
Unpaid carers are overwhelmingly caring for a family member or friend, rather than someone unknown to them. The amount of unpaid caring they undertake, and its intensity, will differ from carer to carer, as will their reasons and motivation for accepting caring responsibilities. Many can successfully combine caring with some employment, so will continue to have income from paid employment. Those unpaid carers who do need financial support may be able to get help from the benefits system – and not only from Carer’s Allowance, but from a range of means-tested benefits as well.
Carers on low incomes can claim income-related benefits, such as Universal Credit, alongside Carer’s Allowance. Universal Credit can be paid to carers at a higher rate than those without caring responsibilities through the payment of the carer element. In April 2022, the Universal Credit carer element increased to £168.81 per month. Around 405,000 (Feb 22 data) carer households on Universal Credit can receive around an additional £2,000 a year through the carer element.
Real terms expenditure on Carer’s Allowance in 2022/23 is forecast to be £3.4bn and between 2022/23 and 2026/27 real terms expenditure on CA is forecast to increase by just over a third (around £1.2 billion). By 2026/27, the Government is forecast to spend just under £4.5 billion a year on Carer’s Allowance. 
A National Insurance Class 1 credit is generally awarded for each week that Carer’s Allowance is paid to a working-age carer. Class 1 credits can help towards the conditions of entitlement to all contributory benefits, as well as the new State Pension. Receipt of Carer’s Allowance also exempts the carer from the benefit cap.
Carer’s Allowance permits carers to undertake some part-time work if they can do so, without this affecting their entitlement. The earnings limit recognises the benefits of staying in touch with the workplace, including greater financial independence and social interaction.
The Government consulted on proposals for a new entitlement to carer’s leave in 2020 and published its response in September 2021. This committed to introducing carer’s leave as a day 1 right. This will be available to all employees who are providing care for a dependant with a long-term care need. Eligible employees will be entitled to one week of unpaid leave per year, which will be available to take flexibly in individual or half days.
Department for Work and Pensions
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/617874?reveal_response=yess_

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ScurryfungeMaster · 29/09/2022 14:12

It's not a choice if you have no alternative! It's not like they are throwing extra help and support towards disabled people and their families. As for them saying that people can work as well as caring for someone they only allow you to earn something like £130 a week! And that's assuming it's even possible to work considering that a lot of people need care around the clock.

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KatnissNeverdone · 29/09/2022 14:12

That's alright then. I'll just choose to not care for DS. Wonder how long it will be before I'm charged with neglect.

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ClaudineClare · 29/09/2022 14:26

melafixer · 29/09/2022 14:06

We’re Labour any better though?

Moot point right now, they aren't in power and haven't been for 12 years.

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Changechangychange · 29/09/2022 14:30

They might as well have just written “fuck you, you stupid mugs. You chose to be poor so you can fuck off”.

Honestly, I’m not a cater and that is just such a blatant “fuck your” I can barely believe they sent it out.

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Willyoujustbequiet · 29/09/2022 14:32

That statement failed to mention they deduct carers from UC.

This government makes me physically sick.

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Sirzy · 29/09/2022 14:35

It’s disgusting but in no way a suprise.

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YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 29/09/2022 14:41

It’s been like this for as long as I can remember, certainly 40+ years,regardless of government.
So long as carers carry on caring, regardless of the impact on their lives, then there’s little or no incentive for society and the government to do anything. Of course carers won’t withdraw their help so things carry on .
It’s sickening, soul destroying; I have no idea what has to happen before there’s change. I worked for a carers organisation for nearly 2p years, campaigning for change. Zilch happened.
(and that included face to face conversations with David Cameron who made all the right noises and did sweet FA)

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YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 29/09/2022 14:42

25 years not 2p ffs 🙄

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lockedonwhole · 29/09/2022 15:43

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 29/09/2022 14:41

It’s been like this for as long as I can remember, certainly 40+ years,regardless of government.
So long as carers carry on caring, regardless of the impact on their lives, then there’s little or no incentive for society and the government to do anything. Of course carers won’t withdraw their help so things carry on .
It’s sickening, soul destroying; I have no idea what has to happen before there’s change. I worked for a carers organisation for nearly 2p years, campaigning for change. Zilch happened.
(and that included face to face conversations with David Cameron who made all the right noises and did sweet FA)

Nothing to add but just wanted to say thank you for complaining and trying to help Flowers

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LilacPoppy · 29/09/2022 16:00

My dh work colleague adopted a little boy with a disability. The special school transport refused to drop off at childminders, so she had to give up her job and claim carers allowance. There was no choice!

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sunshineflowerdaisy · 29/09/2022 16:12

I read this and was disgusted too.

For so many children, there are no schools that will take them. The mainstreams can't meet needs and no specialised school places. My son had no school place for over 2 years and no education provision.
Was it my husbands choice to give up his full time public service job to stay at home with him at 7 years old or could he have just left him home alone then.....

This government is despicable and they do not care one bit.

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TheRealShedSadie · 29/09/2022 16:16

Absolutely disgusting. When I phoned social services when my 90 yr old aunt, living alone, kept wandering out of the house getting lost, they told me to move in with her. When I told them I worked full time they told me to lock her in! I pointed out that was probably a fire risk they said to lock her in but with a means of escape.

Choice my arse. Old and disabled people would die as there is no alternative, no social care and no shits given.

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Mydpisgrumpierthanyours · 29/09/2022 16:23

I gave up a job in community care to be a full time carer to do funnily enough I would be better off kicking him out and picking up his calls from the care company instead. I also do a hell of a lot more than 35 hours a week.
So what the government is saying is "it's ok for you to care for 35 different people for an hour in a week and you will be paid a proper wage. Care for 1 person whose related to you for 35 hours a week or more we will give you the bare minimum to survive."

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MarshaMelrose · 29/09/2022 16:50

Mydpisgrumpierthanyours · 29/09/2022 16:23

I gave up a job in community care to be a full time carer to do funnily enough I would be better off kicking him out and picking up his calls from the care company instead. I also do a hell of a lot more than 35 hours a week.
So what the government is saying is "it's ok for you to care for 35 different people for an hour in a week and you will be paid a proper wage. Care for 1 person whose related to you for 35 hours a week or more we will give you the bare minimum to survive."

This is it exactly. I can pay carers to see to my mum and they do an OK job. But I do a really good job when I go, and she prefers it, but I can't get paid by her at the going rate - not even a raised rate. And it would save the govt money for me to be paid by her than through a benefit. It's frustrating.

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Numberonalist · 10/06/2023 00:10

I know this is an old thread but just wanted to bump it as these issues are so important.
I had no idea you could get support from UC for reduced hours of work to care. Like others, I thought you could only get help through carers allowance if you cared for more than 35 hours a week,which wasn't me, but my caring responsibilities (which fluctuated) wreaked havoc in my life and left me doing everything badly, in ways that were detrimental to my own health. It's too late for me sadly, but just wanted to bump this for others who might benefit.

Get a carers assessment from the authority that looks after the person you care for, if it's impacting on your life. No matter how many hours you care, or where you live. You are significant. The government needs to listen, but the stats are needed (through assessments) as more and more of us are having to reduce working hours to care, as social care is just not fit for purpose. It's a disgrace.

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