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AIBU?

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AIBU to think that money makes a lot of difference?

77 replies

Icantsleep3am · 27/09/2022 22:13

AIBU to think that size of income plays a huge role in how you raise your children and how you generally plan your family life?

This comes on the back of my DF comments, who is a nanny to 2 well-off families, with the same age children as my DC. DF keeps making unfavourable comparisons between my DC and the children she looks after.

For example, she invited us to dinner last week, and in the middle of the conversation, when my DS was talking about something animatedly, DF interrupted him, mid-sentence, asked for his age, and said something like: “Oh you are quite small for your age. My (let’s say Angus) is the same age as you but he’s double your size and plays cricket for his school”. Then she asked DS if he had chosen his subjects for the exams, to which DS said not yet (he's only 11), she replied: “Oh, Angus already knows what he is going to do”. She then went on to ask if DS was doing any extra-curricular activities at his new school, and when DS said not yet (he started secondary school only 2 weeks ago, and the communication with the school is quite slow), she said laughing: “Oh Angus’s mother chose and paid for his activities last year”. Her comparisons usually cover posture, speech, table manners, confidence, academic abilities, time spent on screens and so on and my DC always fare worse.

For context, both families she works are not just regular wealthy, but super-wealthy, with (probably) private jets, homes in different countries, children in top private schools, nannies and cleaners.

Our family is in the opposite spectrum – financially struggling, cash and time poor, both work full-time, overcrowded living conditions (this is relevant).

I suppose the children in the families DF work for come from a different gene pool than our poor DC, with extremely smart and successful fathers, mothers in both families are former models (which explains why their DC are taller/better-looking), whereas we are an average couple. Combined with the wealth and everything money provides, I think it is logical that their children would be taller, fitter, smarter, better-looking, more confident, more eloquent and so on. Their mothers are SAHMs, so have time on their hands to plan DC's activities, look after their postures, develop talents etc.

I can’t say we neglect our children: we work hard to provide what we can, cook balanced meals, pay for DC's tuition, sports, hobbies, we read, we talk, we go places. But working full time means we don’t have much time to guide, direct, manage or develop DC, most of the time DH and I are simply frazzled with stress trying to survive and juggle.

When DC were smaller DF's veiled comments were about my parenting skills, my DC's sleeping and eating routines, how Angus settled at 6pm, slept through the night and ate vegetables for desert, while mine did not. Am I right to assume that it's easier to keep a routine when you live in a four-storey mansion with a full-time nanny, than in a one-bedroom flat with paper-thin walls? Just to add, I am not resentful and contended enough with my lifestyle. Of course, I would love to increase income/upgrade lifestyle, but nonetheless, we make the most of what we have, our children make the most of what we offer, and although not in same league as those super-rich, they do well at school and are generally happy (which for me, is the most important thing).

I wouldn’t mind if the criticism was directed at me and said to me privately. I hate the fact that she says it my DC. But I can’t say anything to DF as she is quite vulnerable (she broke up from an abusive marriage, have terrible relations with her family) so I just keep quiet not to upset her. DF is also a very kind, caring and generous person. So my question is not about how to answer back, I know she means well, but do you agree the comparisons are not fair?

I would be interested to see your views, would you say:

AINBU - yes, money makes a lot of difference;
or
AIBU - you should compensate for what you can't give to DC in money's worth by long-term strategic planning and micromanaging. You should get up at 5am to watch tutorials on how to develop eloquence and confidence in kids, take out a loan and send DC to skiing/riding lessons, hound school staff to open bookings for after-school clubs a year in advance, hire a chef/dietician/personal trainer/stretching contraptions to make DC grow taller, force your DC choose their jobs/exams/subjects 5 years in advance?

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Icantsleep3am · 03/10/2022 11:52

I will take your comments on board and will protect my DC from her comments. I didn't realise I was exposing them to mental health issues, I must have been misguided in my desire to be kind to my friend.

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VatofTea · 03/10/2022 11:56

Friend dump her

autocollantes · 03/10/2022 12:01

(but also I’m laughing at her snobbery - she’s literally the fucking nanny!)

This. She hasn't raised children. Not really. She's managed the raising of someone else's children and even if she was employed full time, that's not even half the time parents have responsibility for their kids.

So I'd listen to her like the friend without children who gives advice on child-rearing (I speak as a former one of those!). Because that's what she's doing. It's all easy when you don't have skin in the game, have had uninterrupted sleep, aren't concerned about paying for anything. don't have to do the mental load of organising your children's schedules around your own (she said the mother did that).

She's talking out her arse. Ignore her on this and keep her away from your kids.

And yes, she's being a snob based on the income of her employers...

NoseyNellie · 03/10/2022 12:01

Kindness can also include helping other people understand the world around them. By asking her to change her behaviour in front of your children you may make her consider her actions in front of other families - reducing the risk that someone else might take far more offence to her comparisons and take her to task in a very angry/confrontational way. She is being rude, she doesn’t seem to realise it, kindly ask her to stop.

VatofTea · 03/10/2022 12:02

Money buys you opportunities and provides security which enables people to pursue interests and feel empowered to try new hobbies or take on new challenges and supports a growth mindset. However these monied people also have your crazy friend in their lives, and while she probably lives vicariously through them and sucks up to them, her lack of judgment will not be good for those kids to be around either. So money doesn't shield anyone from all potential problems or poor influences.

VestaTilley · 03/10/2022 12:04

Your friend is a massive twat. Get rid of her. And do not let her put down your children!!

SBAM · 03/10/2022 12:10

I’d rather be your kid than be Angus - ditch your friend though, it can’t be nice for your kids to feel constantly compared and found wanting whenever she sees them.

babyyodaxmas · 03/10/2022 12:17

you should compensate for what you can't give to DC in money's worth by long-term strategic planning and micromanaging. You should get up at 5am to watch tutorials on how to develop eloquence and confidence in kids, take out a loan and send DC to skiing/riding lessons, hound school staff to open bookings for after-school clubs a year in advance, hire a chef/dietician/personal trainer/stretching contraptions to make DC grow taller, force your DC choose their jobs/exams/subjects 5 years in advance

I have done a fair few on this list. Including getting up at 5:30 and reading books about how best to help my DC at various stages. Gone into short term debt as well as made personal sacrifices (no take away coffees, no meals out) to keep them at swimming and riding lessons as well as pay for additional tuition when needed.

Reasearched healthy options to cook when Dd went veggi and when DS was carrying a few too many pounds. Taken them running in the park at 7:30 before school, gone to the £1 swim session to keep them fit.

I have also been guilty of " hounding" school staff for dates of inset days/ d of e expeditions/ parents evening. I work ft and unfortunately sometimes that is what it takes.

TiaraBoo · 03/10/2022 12:20

Your friend is not a kind, caring person. She’s happy to upset you and you’re not happy to stand up for yourself.

So in answer to the question you didn’t ask… YABU to not tell your friend to shut up. If she’s a real friend, she’ll stop putting you down.

Bluetrews25 · 03/10/2022 12:21

'DF, do you realise that when you make all these comparison comments where Angus is the 'winner', it is putting both DS and me down? Of course the boys will have differences, they have financially hugely different backgrounds, so they have started this race in different places. You are in effect comparing apples with oranges. But please realise, DF, that constant comparison and coming off the 'loser' is terrible for a child's self esteem and anyone who cares about children should not go out of their way to reinforce that they are the 'loser' in a competition where the other competitor has a massive advantage. I know you care about DS and would never knowingly hurt him, but you are risking that right now, and you are risking our friendship too. Can I please ask you not to compare the two boys so obviously again. Because it hurts.'

Someone shared a link to a cartoon strip 'on a plate' yesterday. It would be good for you and DF to read it. Hope the link works.

www.rnz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/373065/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate

BillHadersLeftEye · 03/10/2022 12:22

That's not a friend.
I'd be teaching my kids to say 'whopp de do, good for Angus.'.

RealBecca · 03/10/2022 12:27

She might be on the spectrum? Really!? Its really rude to make that assumption.

I bet she doesnt speak highly of Angus to the other wealthy family and vice versa. People can be abused and still be rude.

clarepetal · 03/10/2022 12:31

In the kindest way possible...your friend is a prick.
And I'd rather be friends with your kids then Angus.

AuntSalli · 03/10/2022 12:36

I would not allow my children back into that situation ever again.

Wwe were very briefly friends with somebody that we met at David Lloyd who had a beautiful home, ponies everything was gorgeous but when we went to visit it transpired that my children were allowed to look at all this stuff but they weren’t allowed to touch any of that there was absolutely no sharing or joining in. this person literally expected my three daughters literally to sit there and admire everything that her daughter had .

flingingmelon · 03/10/2022 12:40

If the rich family is that amazing you'd think they would have chosen more tactful staff

Hope that helps!

Bearsporridge · 03/10/2022 12:46

I had a cm when I was young who used to try and one up her neighbour boasting about my school achievements (I was 5) in comparison to her neighbours actual dc.

I remember thinking the 5 year old equivalent of wtf.

mrsjohnnylawrence · 03/10/2022 12:50

Friends are meant to add to your life.

sóh₂wl̥ · 03/10/2022 13:03

AIBU to think that size of income plays a huge role in how you raise your children and how you generally plan your family life?

Of course it does - more income more options and resources.

Can you with research replicate some of that - well yes and no - depends on what resource are available in area you are in and finding alternative route to access.

If you were asking is your friend being rude - yes very - and can you actually tell her politely to wind her neck in - yes - smile and say something back - height well parental height is major factor and the kids you watch have taller parents. School options state schools work differently - or I don't think you know as much there as you think.

I've had to step in and digs and put downs directed at my kids and they do need you to so it'c clear there is nothing wrong with them. It get easier with practice and turns out to have been good way to model how to deal with such behavior - that skirts or pretends to be politeness.

Thepeopleversuswork · 03/10/2022 13:05

I think this has got nothing to do with money and everything to do with your friend being a spiteful and manipulative arsehole. You're looking at it the wrong way around.

Pemba · 03/10/2022 13:17

YABU to let this awful woman put down your children in front of them, how can you bear it? They may not say anything but I bet it is chipping away at their self confidence. You very obviously need to put them first, not her

Your ', friend' is not kind hearted etc at all. And she is a deluded, she appears to believe that she the mother of 'Angus'. In reality she will probably be forgotten about the by him and his family in 6 years or so when he should definitely no longer require a nanny. Sad really that she is building her life and loyalties around them with no thought for her future and no thought for her friends.

As for your question about whether children from richer families will always be 'better'. No of course not. Those sort of kids frequently grow up with a sense of entitlement and disconnection from ordinary life as lived by most people.

Pemba · 03/10/2022 13:22

Posted too soon, I was going to say that the best of these wealthy kids will be a bit entitled, the worst will be people like Boris Johnson or, god help us, Prince Andrew.

Your own children are precious and unique, so cherish them and dump your weird friend.

AgentJohnson · 03/10/2022 13:27

Of course money can haves major impact, duh! That was one hell of a drip feed about DF possibly being on the spectrum. Why didn’t you challenge her (unintentional) belittling of your child? It would have demonstrated to both your son and your friend that her constant comparisons to a child from a wealthier economic background, was extremely rude and irrelevant.

LadyKenya · 03/10/2022 13:28

Yabu to have put up with her crass behaviour. Your son needs you to advocate for him, not just sit there while she demeans him.

Icantsleep3am · 03/10/2022 16:18

Totally agree with you on this point, it does not cost any money to teach certain things, but it takes time. When you are in FT work, you don't have much time and the stress of juggling takes its toll on you. I feel that I have to rush all the time to get things done, I can't relax enough to have a normal conversation most of the time.

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andtheweedonkey · 03/10/2022 16:22

Seriously, if that's how she treats and speaks you and your family, she is most certainly NOT a friend.

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