AIBU to believe rich people should contribute much more?

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A bit tongue in cheek, but given that its almost impossible for poorly paid workers including care workers and nurses to strike, and that the government have given people earning over £100K a massive pay rise, what other ways could the most wealthy be made to pay?

My idea: - a new LUXURIES tax (think 50% VAT) on things ordinary people cant buy, like superyachts, airplanes, £10K+ dining tables, a box at wimbledon, £500+ handbags, £100+ football boots!

AIBU - No - they should pay more and heres my ideas how they should do it!
AIBU - Yes - leave wealthy people alone, its not their fault

'Rich' people already pay more. Like 50% of their income if you add in NI.

My DC is 'rich' earning over £100K and still can't afford to buy in Zone 1 London. And commuting & parking (if they moved out) would cost almost another mortgage. So they are stuck renting.

Even if you tax the very very rich, there are so few of them that it is a drop in the ocean.

The figures are there if you care to look. There is this myth that by taxing the top 2% of earners, all our problems would go away.

They won't.

The only way any government raises enough in taxes is by hitting the middle classes.

OR by raising productivity, getting more people into well paid jobs and creaming off more tax.

You don't do either of those by robbing the rich.

Not all wealthy people agree with how the government runs things.

Stop blaming individuals.

Vote do you?

That’s who you need to be looking at.

Not wealthier individuals.

Some will always have more and some will always have less.

That’s life.

We need some people not stop being so greedy and some people not to be sod man lazy.

People so earn millions. We live in a few market economy in case you hadn’t realised.

Are you a communist?

*so damn lazy

*free market economy

(apologies for typos)

@mmmflakycrust81 I think you can see I did state it is a decent standard of living. What it is not, and this was aimed at the OP, is a wealthy lifestyle where luxury handbag and yacht purchases feature. That is very divorced from reality.
Taking into account personal tax allowances, childcare contributions and child benefit, for two kids, 25k amounts to 2k per month after tax. That’s a <7% marginal rate of income tax. And it’s right that those on this salary should be protected and subsidised by higher earners. But don’t blame those of us paying several orders of magnitude more in tax, for earning enough to pay that very tax.

Why is it the fault of those who have and earn lots of money, but no accountability is never directed at the plenty of people who can’t be bothered to work, and game the system to maximise their benefits by not working too much.

That is also no ok.

Tax evasion is obviously wrong too.

I believe in collective responsibility…to a point!

There are over a million vacancies here in the UK. A million.

If you are taking home £5.5K a month and you think thats not a high salary then you need to give your head a wobble and compare it to the people bringing home £1500 a month in London who also have to pay for full time childcare.

@mmmflakycrust81 Maybe those people should have thought of that before they had children?

Anyone living in London, paying for childcare and on £1500 net income needed to give their head a very good wobble indeed before a) having a child b) not trying to increase their income c) living in London when they have the whole of the UK to choose from.

They made lifestyle choices.

Why should other people pay for those?

I live where I can afford to.
I didn't have DCs until I was financially secure.
We only had the number of DCs we could afford.

I didn't expect others to pay for that.

You don't do either of those by robbing the rich.

And there it is in a nutshell. Taxation regarded as “robbery” instead of the price of living in a civilised society. Make enough people poor enough and you end up with more real robbery.

@Quincythequince

So much for a reasoned detailed response

🤣

Its all the greedy poors fault.

Yeah sure.

I also didn't mention individuals but let's face it bezo and musk are individuals. So is Philip green.

I'm aware we live in market economy. That is the problem on so many different levels.

Yet you seem to be happy with that? Presumably because you got an extra crumb of the pie?

Why arent more people annoyed that there's only crumbs left?

No, I'm not a communist.

Its all the greedy poors fault

Who has said that?
Not me!

The whole thrust of this thread is jealousy.

People who can't or don't want to work hard enough to 'be rich' and despising anyone who does. Thinking those who have worked hard should pay for everyone else.

If you want the life of 'rich' people, do what that requires.

Usually it's a top degree, post grad training, or professional qualifications, 15 hour days in the office, foreign travel at the expense of family time, few holidays, OR you set up your own company and invest savings/ borrow money at your own risk (like mortgaging your house on it.)

Most people seem to think 'the rich' get what they have by sitting on their bums all day rather than working very hard and having huge responsibilities.

Having said that, I do think that some bankers' bonuses are ludicrous, but there aren't that many of them if you look into the actual figures.

Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are US citizens, and therefore outside the reach of HMRC as their global income is subject to the IRS. Why bring them into a discussion of UK tax? It's not relevant.

crumb of the pie

You can’t make reasoned arguments when you’re this bitter.

Have you read anything I have said about my view on taxation and how much the wealthy should be, and collective responsibility?

Clearly not.

And this is why taxpayers role their eyes and don’t engage with ill -informed views like yours.

Am I happy living in a economy where you can better yourself?

Absolutely, we should all be.

So again, how much of their earned money should rich people just hand back?

You seem to have fixed ideas about them being greedy pigs, but can’t seem to describe any real sense behind your views.

And re Labour having more generous tax bands for the wealthy, what’s your view on that?

Yawn, another thread of grasping shits wanting others to go out and graft on their behalf.

The West was sunk the second it gave people the idea they could vote themselves "free" money.

And for the sake of completeness @Topgub Phlip Green is a resident of Monaco. His superyacht, bought at the expense of of the pensioners he raped and defrauded, is worth several billion. No, I don't have any more time for him than you do.

Depends on how you define “rich”, doesn’t it @JackieWeaversSister? Our income is in the top 10%. I don’t think we’re rich but I bet someone on minimum wage does. Incidentally, neither of us worked 15 hour days or went without holidays - or had huge responsibilities, come to that.

I think it’s absolutely appalling that the gap between the richest and the poorest is widening. Appalling. Which is why I’d be more than happy to pay a bit more tax and I have a direct debit to the foodbank. Some of the people who work the hardest are paid the least - you did know that, didn’t you? A care assistant works harder than I ever have.

Why can't they charge rich people to bring these luxury objects in to British waters & British soil? Look how many Russian oligarchs had yachts seized when the war started in Ukraine? We need legislation to stop property being bought by rich people from abroad sheltered by companies that claim to be British.

Care home workers earn less money because almost anyone is capable of wiping an arse.

A doctor earns more because it's harder to find people trained in brain surgery.

A doctor can wipe an arse, the average care home worker can't perform brain surgery.

It's not about working "hard" it's about having skills that make you more or less replaceable.

If you are hard to replace then your earning potential goes up.

@Quincythequince

I'm not bitter.

I'm realistic.

And also a tax payers

My view is better informed than yours, which appears to be that we should leave the wealthy alone? That the stats on inequality are meaningless because the wealthy 'earned' their money?

I'm not sure how anyone can defend it but there you go

I am a taxpayer.
I have never said leave the wealthy alone.

Stop doubling down in things I’ve never said and points I have never made.

Your view is poorly informed and irrelevant and many others now have pointed this out.

Go away and educate yourself (that’s free to do btw, neither you nor a rich person have to pay for that).

It's not about working "hard" it's about having skills that make you more or less replaceable

That’s kind of the point I was making, it’s why the “work hard” mantra is so ridiculous.

And I never said the stats on inequality were meaningless either. What are you on?

They already pay alot more in tax and give away money.

Assuming they don't avoid or evade tax, in actual fact the top 10% pay a lower percentage of their income

We earn around the 200k mark sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less but as we are a limited company taking into account corp tax, vat and self assessment plus insurances etc we pay over 50k per year give or take in taxes! How much more do you want us to pay? We don’t lead a flashy lifestyle and obviously we are classed a rich but seriously we pay so much to the government as it is, it would be easier and cheaper to move countries if you expect us to pay even more tax than we do now 😱

Idiotic?
What's idiotic are those morons that sit on their arse all day doing fuck all expecting to "earn" more than those that do actually work hard for it.