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Madamecastafiore · 27/09/2022 14:52
icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 12:59
😂What do you mean the bonuses are being channelled straight to their offshore bank accounts/gambled on the stock market? What a shock.
Bonuses are actually taxed before they're paid to you so sending it to an offshore account is a bit stupid really.
BambinaJAS · 27/09/2022 14:53
Minford in the UK is like Laffer in the US.
No matter how much his work gets discredited by evidence, he will keep up the act because his livelihood depends on it.
Basically, they are both scummy characters who have zero credibility in real academia. They are just political props.
BambinaJAS · 27/09/2022 14:55
Madamecastafiore · 27/09/2022 14:52
Bonuses are actually taxed before they're paid to you so sending it to an offshore account is a bit stupid really.
icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 12:59
😂What do you mean the bonuses are being channelled straight to their offshore bank accounts/gambled on the stock market? What a shock.
Yep.
You can choose to put the bonus into your pension as a contribution, but thats about it.
Reduces your taxable income for that month as well, so you pay less tax.
Wilkolampshade · 27/09/2022 15:00
WoolyMammoth55 · Today 13:36
About 7 years ago I worked for the richest person I've ever known - she was Director of her own company and invoiced £35K in an average MONTH. Married to a city guy with his own 6-figure income.
They paid their cleaner cash in hand, wouldn't put her on payroll. They also had a nanny for their baby who they paid partially in cash to avoid hitting the threshold where they'd have needed to make NI contributions.
Oh my God, so much this ☝️
DH works for a variety of people in the art world - one multi, multi millionaire in particular for getting on for 30 years. He does/did everything for this person.... such meanness, you would not believe. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times he's had a Christmas bonus, and these would be in the region of £50 ffs.
The rich don't get rich by giving it away.
Bacibaci · 27/09/2022 15:08
On Twitter Phd student at LSE did some maths using HMRC data on the numbers behind those gaining from abolishing the 45% tax rate, the numbers are crazy. What particularly stood out is they calculated that scrapping the 45p rate gives £1 BILLION in tax savings to just 2,500 people, each with over £3.5m in income. On average, that’s an extra £400k for each of them, every year…
The Twitter thread if anyone interested.
“I think people haven’t yet priced in exactly who gains from abolishing the 45p rate…This isn’t about cuts for people on £150k, or even £200k. Most of the gain goes to those much higher up. I did some further analysis using HMRC data
Only 10% of the gain from cutting the 45p rate goes to people with incomes of £150-250k.
Two thirds go to those with incomes over £500k. That’s about 50k people = top 0.1% of UK adults. Even more striking: almost half of total tax saving goes to ‘income millionaires’. But it’s actually even more concentrated than that.
Scrapping the 45p rate gives £1 BILLION in tax savings to just 2,500 people, each with over £3.5m in income. On average, that’s an extra £400k for each of them, every year…
They’d better be really great at driving growth! “
twitter.com/d_burgherr/status/1574321607258128385?s=21&t=Wy50nkWANJhTh4LgmfxC_g
Angelofthenortheast · 27/09/2022 16:09
I'm so excited for it! It's just like at work when the executive office has a catered lunch meeting and they always leave the hummus and crudites tray and a few random falafel wraps on the soggier side...thats when it's finally trickle down time for all the lower band plebs to get a piece of the action. Wooohooooo
larkstar · 27/09/2022 16:11
You can get a bit more background and perspective on it here📧
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
IMHO - this is conservative economic policy in a nutshell. It doesn't work.
Chloefairydust · 27/09/2022 16:13
icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 12:59
😂What do you mean the bonuses are being channelled straight to their offshore bank accounts/gambled on the stock market? What a shock.
This
The drip down idea won’t work. We are heading for a huge crash in our economy…
Our only chance is for labour to be voted in next election, but I doubt people will actually vote for them unfortunately. Too many people waste their votes on the smaller parties …
IAmAReader · 27/09/2022 16:17
Chloefairydust · 27/09/2022 16:13
This
The drip down idea won’t work. We are heading for a huge crash in our economy…
Our only chance is for labour to be voted in next election, but I doubt people will actually vote for them unfortunately. Too many people waste their votes on the smaller parties …
icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 12:59
😂What do you mean the bonuses are being channelled straight to their offshore bank accounts/gambled on the stock market? What a shock.
If people vote Tory in again, I think I'm done with the UK. Everyone is entitled to vote for who they want so that's on them but I have nothing tying me here and will definitely look to relocate. Enough is enough. I could just about handle the David Cameron type of Tory-ism but this Boris/Rishi/Truss/Kwasi pipeline to economic hell is not the one.
Bacibaci · 27/09/2022 16:36
I could just about handle the David Cameron type of Tory-ism
I couldn’t handle that. The 2011 Welfare Reform Act reduced support for me as a disabled person. Austerity did a lot of damage (and again didn’t result in good growth) but the net is casting even wider this time.
Sirius3030 · 27/09/2022 16:49
MaChienEstUnDick · 27/09/2022 13:30
@LadyHarmby it was a political move. 'The bankers' were seen as the ones who directly caused the 2008 crash. Which they did, but only within a deregulated political and economic framework which let them, ie they were given too much power. So when they chose to do the wrong thing in pursuit of profit, they could - and then they could be financially rewarded for it.
The solution was to reform the global banking industry, but no single govt has the appetite to take that on. So instead, they limited the bonuses individual bankers could make which scored them a few easy political points - after all, we were all in this mess because of them in the first place, right?
In reality it has just meant that banks, not bankers, make and keep the profit.
The most 'talented' seek to work for global banks where they can earn unlimited bonuses. And the world keeps turning in much the same way it did in 2008.
Basically, it's easier to believe the whole 2008 crash was caused by that convenient bogey-man Fred Goodwin, and hit any future Freds in the pocket, than it is to reform capitalism.
LadyHarmby · 27/09/2022 13:20
I get trickle down doesn’t work.
However, what was the point of a cap on banker’s bonuses? I never quite understood as they’re not taxpayer funded, the treasury lost the tac the bankers would have otherwise paid on them and it wasn’t like the money was given to charity instead?
PS i am not a banker
In China, economic crime like that committed by Fred Goodwin would literally receive the death sentence. I’m not saying that we should implement the death penalty as I am vehemently against it for any reason. But an interesting contrast: in the UK he received no penalty at all and not even sure if his knighthood was stripped from him.
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