Needy Parent Problems - AIBU
chipauchoc · 26/09/2022 11:09
If your parent lives close by how often do you speak to eachother, visit eachother? My DF is 80 and has become needier and needier, he lives 5 mins walk away and from post lockdown has taken to just turning up at any time of the day. I WFH and tell him I'm busy but it doesn't deter him. I know he's bored and has nothing else to do. He's a very fit 80 year old with a wife 14 years his junior so is perfectly capable. I've asked him to text me when he's coming but he refuses point blank to inform me when he's turning up. It's really annoying because I constantly think, will he turn up today? Should I start this job or will I be interrupted? He comes over and literally just plonks himself down and if I don't stop to chat with him (about the weather normally) and carry on working (and tell him I'm busy! ) he'll stick the telly on and just sit there. I'm introverted and find small talk draining and need my me time, it's really affecting me but I don't want to tell him outright because he's like a big baby and will literally just sulk and not speak to me if I was to say anything. On the days that he doesn't come over he will ring me about the most simple of things - the other day I was working until late on a project (he knew I was busy as I had told him numerous times) He called in the morning because he needed some icing sugar, I popped over with it and said I couldn't stay because I was busy (I dropped it off because otherwise he'd just come over and stay a while, at least that way I was in control), then he came over anyway later that afternoon so I could sample his baking!. (he tends to try and make up any excuse to come and visit, but then just sits there). Even later that evening 8pm Friday (I'm still working!!) he calls me and asks how he goes about returning something on Amazon for his wife!! FFS - am I being mean or is this too much and how do I approach this. I think I must have been quite curt on our last phonecall because I've not heard from him all weekend!
For background, he wasn't very present as I was growing up , and I don't know if he's trying to make up for lost time or he's just relying on me too much and wants to have me as a PA, entertainment when bored, general help and hes pathing the way for me to be at his beck and call in his old age. I'm a single parent and when I have been in a relationship his visits became very rare!! I have one other sibling abroad and one other fairly locally but he doesn't speak to them.
YABU - he's your dad, have a heart
YANBU - It's too much, put up some boundaries!
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SleeplessInEngland · 26/09/2022 11:10
Definitely annoying. How did you come to be basically neighbours? Did you move close to him or him to you?
chipauchoc · 26/09/2022 11:12
He moved close to me! 10 years ago! I didn't ask him to at all, he just decided to himself.
Winnietheshite · 26/09/2022 11:13
How does he get into your house?
Why not lock the door? Don't answer your phone when he rings.
PyjamaFan · 26/09/2022 11:14
I agree with PP. If you're busy lock your door and ignore.
litlealligator · 26/09/2022 11:16
You need to set a clear boundary that between 9 and 5 (or whenever) you are not to be disturbed unless it's an emergency, and you need to actually follow through on it. You don't intend to but you're sending mixed messages by saying you're busy but then going around with icing sugar!
chipauchoc · 26/09/2022 11:17
@Winnietheshite I answer the door, he used to come around the back door and sit in the garden, I open the curtains in the morning and he'd just be there! I locked the backgate and that seems to have stopped that. @PyjamaFan I've thought about not answering the door but my office is at the front of the house and he can see me working as he approaches, and also he'll call me if he sees the car on the drive and I'm not answering!
chipauchoc · 26/09/2022 11:21
I know what you mean @litlealligator I asked him what time he'd come over the icing sugar and he just said 'later' which was really unhelpful because I wouldn't know when he'd be coming (and I had a work phonecall scheduled) and I know he'd stay a while when he picked it up - so I thought I'd and just pop over with it and get it out of the way. You are right I do need to set boundaries, but I know he will just be so childish and sulk if I lay the law down
Thepeopleversuswork · 26/09/2022 11:32
I totally get it, my dad (who passed away last year) became very clingy after my mum died. When we were kids he was a hyper workaholic and was almost never at home. I have a pretty demanding job and he seemed incapable of grasping that it was the same for me.
He used to call several times a day (thankfully we didn’t live in the same town) with pretty trivial questions: everything from talking about plans for Xmas in September to asking for advice about how to cook something. I was sympathetic to a point but also feel there was a large helping of misogyny involved, because he used to lean heavily on my mum for all things domestic he felt he could simply transfer all of that dependency to me as her eldest daughter and it was a bit cheeky.
I did eventually start laying boundaries down because it was impacting on my ability to work. You should do the same. Your dad shouldn’t be plonking himself down in front of the tv if you’re working.
Kissingfrogs25 · 26/09/2022 11:34
I live a long way away for this reason. I need my own life and space.
passport123 · 26/09/2022 11:35
Pull the blinds down in your office and don't answer the door.
FictionalCharacter · 26/09/2022 11:37
When you’re working, you’re at work and therefore not available. You absolutely need to lay down boundaries very firmly, because he’ll get worse as he gets older.
Why doesn’t he stay in his own home with his wife? Why does he ask you for icing sugar instead of buying some or asking his wife to?
You’re right in that he sees you as a PA/carer/entertainment and you’re letting him do it. You’re letting him put the TV on when you’re working - I would never allow that. Your home is your place of work during working hours.
Yes he might sulk about your house rules but that’s a price worth paying. Just ignore the tantrums. He’s treating your home as his own and you as his assistant. That’s bad enough even when it doesn’t impact your work.
NoSquirrels · 26/09/2022 11:39
You need to start practising a rebuff at the doorstep - he can’t come in, you’re working. Not a foot inside. ‘Thanks, Dad - I’ve got to go now though because I’m working’ and shut the door. Keep doing it. That’s the negative bit.
Then you also need to do some positive reinforcement training too - invite him over for a specific time each week/weekend, a meal or coffee etc. Pop round to his house. Call regularly at X time.
GreenManalishi · 26/09/2022 11:39
I'd switch up your routine a bit, can you tell him you're working from the office a few days a week? Catching the bus, so the car would still be on the drive? I think you need to stop being there and available. Open the door with your coat on and say you're just on your way out but you will ring him later. Work upstairs for a few weeks and don't open the door. Say you're in meetings, etc
Also is there any way you can check with his DW if she's noticed any other changes in behaviour, if this is a new thing? He could be beginning with some dementia, which can creep in with just general "oddness" at first.
mamabear715 · 26/09/2022 11:40
Arghh, how irritating.. I can feel my heart beating faster just at the thought of it.. I think I would be inclined to give times when he CAN come over, & say you won't be answering the door if it's outside those times, as this is your LIVELIHOOD and you need to work.. then if he sulks, he sulks..
mamabear715 · 26/09/2022 11:41
As other posters have said, I'm wondering about the wife too.. she sounds very quiet or absent in all this?
nokidshere · 26/09/2022 11:46
I don't see the problem with letting him sulk really. If nothing else it will give you a few days peace.
And when he stops sulking just be bright and breezy, don't acknowledge it, just like a fractious toddler.
Reiterate the times you are busy and then just let him get on with it. His sulking is his problem not yours. I agree with making set times for visits, although vary the days and times as you don't want it to become a 'every Tuesday between 1-2' scenario.
10HailMarys · 26/09/2022 11:52
Apart from anything, if I was your boss I wouldn't be that thrilled that you were having visitors coming round and chatting or sticking the telly on while you were meant to be working.
You clearly need to be a lot firmer. 'Dad, I am working. You can't come round for a chat or watch telly while I'm working. You wouldn't be able to do that if I was in the office and you can't do it while I'm at home either. I can't chat while I'm working and I can't have the TV on. It's unprofessional for someone to have visitors while they're working from home and if you come round again, I won't let you in.'
10HailMarys · 26/09/2022 11:54
I know he will just be so childish and sulk if I lay the law down
So what? Sounds like a bit of silent treatment from him would be bliss.
AegeanBlue · 26/09/2022 11:54
You need to be firmer with him. Don’t let him in when working. So what if he sulks and doesn’t speak to you for a few days? Perhaps you will get a break from it as a result!
chipauchoc · 26/09/2022 12:25
thanks everyone! I do need to be firmer (my people pleasing has always been a problem throughout my life, but that deserves a whole other thread of its own!) I'll let him sulk if necessary. Geez, I wish I worked in the office then it wouldn't be this way. @10HailMarys I'm my own boss, I run my own business so that's part of the problem, no boss to answer to, otherwise I don't think he'd do it so much.
Will try and go around to him on my own terms like @NoSquirrels says.
@mamabear715 Wife is a clean freak so likes him out of the house when she's cleaning (alot of the time!), she also works part time so not around all the time.
latetothefisting · 26/09/2022 12:41
You need to have a chat with him about not coming round while you're working. Use a white lie like your boss has complained about hearing people/tv in the background or productivity reducing and you don't want to get disciplined, or taking on a new project that involves a lot more meetings or tel calls.
Pull down blinds in office or get window film that stops people seeing in
Phone on silent or dnd if he calls
Lock back gate
If he complains just refer back to the conversation "dad I told you this last week I'm in meetings all the time and it's on video so I can't get up and answer the door. It's never for anything important, you can watch TV in your own house."
If you don't want him coming round in the evenings invent a new hobby or again just ignore and say you were cleaning with headphones in/gardening out the back.
Basically you need to break the cycle of him deciding he has a right to your company whenever he wants it and your feeling of guilt that you should be spending time with him.
He cba to make the effort for you when you were a child so you have absolutely no obligation now to entertain or help him. You need to get out of the cycle now because it's only going to get much worse when it stops being just company he wants and he starts guilt tripping you with helping him with whatever he can't do as he gets older.
latetothefisting · 26/09/2022 12:44
Sorry just seen you don't have a boss but you can still say something like any staff you employ/people you work with have been commenting on someone chatting in the background/ a friend has had an info security issue because a client complained about a family member overhearing private stuff....whatever!
Or just tell him straight "I can't concentrate when you're here and there's no reason for you to be. I don't randomly come round to your house and stick the telly on when you're doing something so don't do it to me!"
mamabear715 · 26/09/2022 12:59
Oh blimey, so his DW just wants him out of her way when she's not working? Have they no hobbies like normal folk? But whatever, it's not your problem. It sounds like he assumes that you can just take time off work for him whenever you please. Sadly, business doesn't work like that..
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