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To expect my ex to take some responsibility for childcare

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Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 20:37

I’m sorry because this has more than likely been done to death here but I would like some opinions on who is being unreasonable here.

Me and my ex separated 2 years ago, I instigated the separation, never been another person involved or any issue like that, just because of what I perceived to be long term issues with controlling behaviour from him. I stayed in our rented house and he moved around 80 miles away because he wanted a change of location, he still works regularly in my area and travels here several days a week.

We were managing the kids fairly amicably until I finished my degree and started working, he has the kids at his every second weekend and will turn up at my house regularly in the evening on his way home from work which would be fine if it was after school but it’s normally at bedtime and he usually appears with huge bags of sweeties, which is really not an ideal situation from my point of view.

Since I have been working I have tried to make him commit to taking more responsibility for childcare but he doesn’t want to move back to this area so his contribution is extremely limited. Under extreme duress he has agreed to have them after school/ nursery 1 day per week, however it has recently come to light that he has regularly been picking my youngest child up late from nursery on this day, sometimes 2+ hours, and I have been paying for the extra time without realising.

I am currently only working 3 days a week although this is mainly became that’s all I can manage with out any more help with childcare. I also have to work 3-4 nights a month over the summer. He is self employed so for the most part he picks and chooses his own work schedule, he’s not very particularly hardworking and regularly takes days off just because he feels like it.

Things have recently come to a head because I would like him to look after the children overnight while I am working, he can’t do that at his house because he lives too far away to get them to school. I feel that he could just stay at mine with the kids but he refuses to do that. I have had to get my mum or friends to look after them for me overnight which was manageable in the school holidays but doesn’t really work now. My mum has a lot of issues which make it very difficult for her to stay at mine and look after my kids.

My ex told me not to bother asking him to look after them anymore through week because it’s not his fault that I have taken on a job that I can’t manage with the kids. He accused me of inconveniencing him and my mum/friends by asking them to ‘babysit’ just so I can do a job that shows off my degree and that I should just get a job in a supermarket or somewhere less demanding (I can’t really see that this would make a huge difference as I would still need childcare!).

I feel that the kids are our equal responsibility and if we are both working the we should be organising it so that we are sharing the childcare over the week, but right now I either provide or organise and pay for childcare 4.5 days of the working week. And really all I’m asking is for him to look after them overnight 3-4 nights per month, which doesn’t interfere with his ability to work. He seems to think that because I am the resident parent that all the responsibility for childcare is mine.

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Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 22:06

I don’t really know any separated couples that only have an eow arrangement these days. Most people I know nowadays tend to share parenting a lot more. I guess that might be giving me a unbalanced view of the amount of childcare he should be doing.

Personally I can’t understand why he doesn’t want to be more involved when he has the opportunity, not meaning the overnights, just general pick ups from school and spending time with them through the week.

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Nopeforme · 23/09/2022 22:06

Sorry you have such a useless ex.

I agree he should help out but he obviously won't. Can you make other arrangements for the overnights? Maybe a college or university student who'd be willing to be paid to stay over, if your DC sleep through the night it'd be easy work?

SpinningFloppa · 23/09/2022 22:09

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4628695-what-do-you-think-is-the-ideal-child-custody-arrangement

recent thread where most posters were against shared care and think that it’s selfish and only for the parents benefit, eow was said to be the ideal. Either way expecting your ex to stay over your house is unreasonable and he was right to say no.

TwinkleChristmas · 23/09/2022 22:14

It sucks but he doesn’t have to (and clearly won’t) have them in the week to accommodate your job so there isn’t much you can do.

I don’t blame him for refusing to stay at yours either. That’s not unreasonable.

Stop the turning up at bed time. Just tell him no at the door and shut it. You don’t have to let him in.

You really shouldn’t of took a job with overnights if you couldn’t do it either.

Nightynightnight · 23/09/2022 22:15

Personally I can’t understand why he doesn’t want to be more involved when he has the opportunity, not meaning the overnights, just general pick ups from school and spending time with them through the week.

It doesn't matter why. Take control.

NotaCoolMum · 23/09/2022 22:18

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 23/09/2022 21:28

He should but unfortunately he can't be made to. Claim maintenance and just get on with it. You can't make a useless dad step up and accepting that and making appropriate arrangements ( including keeping him ou

Yes I totally agree he can’t be made to- he’s a prick x

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 23/09/2022 22:19

Well he should but he's not going to. Stop letting him drop in whenever he wants and set times and days for when he sees them

Phineyj · 23/09/2022 22:21

There must be other solutions for occasional care other than asking your dodgy ex to do it.

Look for a different job.
Swap overnights with a friend.
Pay someone to sleep over (how much this will cost would depend on how reliably the DC stay asleep, I imagine). Someone from nursery?
Au pair.

I'm not a single parent but we don't have the kind of families who would have DC to sleep over apart from very very occasionally. We do have a couple of lovely friends who will (obviously we do stuff for them).

Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 22:22

Thanks for all the responses I haven’t replied to, I can see I definitely ABU to expect him to stay overnight! I’m just feeling desperate, my dd has health issues which make it difficult to leave her with someone who doesn’t know her well. However, thankfully the night work isn’t all year round so if I can just get though the next few weeks it won’t be an issue for a while.

I think I will definitely take the advice to just stop expecting him to help with childcare, it’s causing me a lot of stress and the kids are probably picking up on resentment it’s creating. I will try and keep the arrangement more formal from now on. Honesty would be quite happy to never have to ask him for help again!

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RandomMess · 23/09/2022 22:24

Sadly he's just a shit Dad.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 23/09/2022 22:28

He "could" help but he's really not going to. It sounds like he doesn't want you being a success and is trying to be obstructive.

You have to stop muddying the waters with it all - why would you allow him to stay overnight in your home? You need to set an arrangement up officially, through a solicitor if he chooses to ignore your attempts, and then stick to it. It does not sound like he's going to be amenable and allow a more flexible approach to co parenting so don't give him the satisfaction of being able to call the shots all the time.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 23/09/2022 22:41

Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 21:56

@AnneLovesGilbert we have never had a formal contact arrangement because he won’t discuss or agree to anything. I have tried organising mediation but he won’t do it.

You’re right that I shouldn’t have accepted the job knowing I would have to work nights but I think I was just a bit desperate,it’s very unusual to be able to walk straight into a job like this in this sector. I was hoping if I can just stick it out long enough I will have some experience to use as leverage to be able to get out of the night work by next year.

I just find it incredibly frustrating that he could do any job he wanted at any hours he wanted without childcare ever having to cross his mind.

It is frustrating and unfair and he should be sharing the responsibilities of parenting, the hands on care and the financial care, they're his children too. It's not unreasonable to want him to step up. It is unreasonable to expect his behaviour to suddenly be different. You need to set boundaries around when he can see the kids and what he brings, I'd confiscate the lollies, say they'll get them tomorrow and tell him he's no longer welcome to see the DC at yours if he turns up again after X time or with lollies. Then count him out, you're on your own with this, so how do you make it work? I know a nurse who uses a babysitting service to cover overnight shifts. Her ex has gone NC with the DC and her family are overseas, so she has paid child care to cover the shifts that are incompatible with normal childcare.

MsVestibule · 23/09/2022 22:50

Can you imagine how much easier your life would be if all you had to do was turn up at your exes every now and then with a bag of sweets, no childcare issues, no financial impact, they were 100% his responsibility. Not better, but easier. What an utterly shit dad he is

He's not going to change. Really, you have to change your mindset and accept that you're a single parent. I'm not sure how that's going to work with your current job, though. Can you pay an older, reliable teen to stay overnight?

madasawethen · 23/09/2022 23:02

Excellent advice from Nightynight
He's just a lazy, petty, jealous little man who enjoys making your lives difficult.

What type of work do you do?

cheninblanc · 23/09/2022 23:13

If he's just dropping in I'd stop that now. You need to say if you can't have them you can't drop in. My ex used to drop in and out, changed pick up time and place and never followed the court order. In the end I said no, he did the order for a year then emailed to say he didn't want to see them anymore. Made my life so simple as planned and worked around it just being me. Children need routine and boundaries and he isn't capable of providing that

Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 23:15

I’m enjoying this talking to from you guys,
so thank you for your contributions! Those of you saying I need to take back some control of the situation are right. I’m sick of him making everything difficult for me but I can only change that by not giving him the opportunity to do it!

@madasawethen i’m an ecologist. The nights are bat work 🦇 which can’t be done in winter so just have to make it though another few weeks and things will be easier.

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thequeenoftarts · 23/09/2022 23:35

Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 23:15

I’m enjoying this talking to from you guys,
so thank you for your contributions! Those of you saying I need to take back some control of the situation are right. I’m sick of him making everything difficult for me but I can only change that by not giving him the opportunity to do it!

@madasawethen i’m an ecologist. The nights are bat work 🦇 which can’t be done in winter so just have to make it though another few weeks and things will be easier.

Oooh I have a bat roost in my attic, I love them furry little munchkins so much

Fraaahnces · 23/09/2022 23:54

Stop letting him into your home if he turns up at bedtime with sweets.

madasawethen · 24/09/2022 00:56

Hoverfly1 · 23/09/2022 23:15

I’m enjoying this talking to from you guys,
so thank you for your contributions! Those of you saying I need to take back some control of the situation are right. I’m sick of him making everything difficult for me but I can only change that by not giving him the opportunity to do it!

@madasawethen i’m an ecologist. The nights are bat work 🦇 which can’t be done in winter so just have to make it though another few weeks and things will be easier.

What interesting work. Seems that night aren't permanent.

You're right about taking control back. He's had everything his way. Just do what works for you and the kids.

idontwanttoplayanymore · 24/09/2022 01:09

SpinningFloppa · 23/09/2022 21:58

eow contact is the standard with perhaps dinner midweek, I think it’s unreasonable to expect your ex to stay over your house so you can work, maybe he is uncomfortable with that, I would be.

Fuck this bullshit, why is this the standard? I didn’t sign up to be a single parent, but somehow this is the socially accepted form of ‘shared contact’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

idontwanttoplayanymore · 24/09/2022 01:09

SpinningFloppa · 23/09/2022 21:58

eow contact is the standard with perhaps dinner midweek, I think it’s unreasonable to expect your ex to stay over your house so you can work, maybe he is uncomfortable with that, I would be.

Fuck this bullshit, why is this the standard? I didn’t sign up to be a single parent, but somehow this is the socially accepted form of ‘shared contact’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

CactusBlossom · 24/09/2022 02:47

He seems uncooperative and unhelpful. Personally, I wouldn't want him to stay overnight as it seems he can't be relied upon (read 'trusted'). I'd suggest getting legal advice he hasn't agreed to mediation, but a formal letter from a solicitor might have a beneficial effect. He can't just turn up when he feels like it with a bag of sweets but not make any useful contribution. You need to have someone you can trust for child sitting duties (so that's not going to be him); perhaps there's someone you know who could recommend a child sitter? If you can extract some financial support from him that could go towards financing child care. I don't see why you should give up your career you've studied hard. He's the one who moved away; if he can't play a constructive role in child care, he should make a financial contribution (ideally both).

Phineyj · 24/09/2022 08:22

OK, that sounds valuable work and if I was your friend I'd certainly look after the DC once or twice so you could do it! People can be wary of getting sucked into a regular thing but this is perfect to ask a favour and you can repay when it suits.

I remenber having my friend's DD (single parent, fairly useless ex) so she could mark Further Maths papers!

MargotChateau · 24/09/2022 08:29

Congratulations @Hoverfly1 on leaving a controlling partner, on raising two children, doing a degree then getting work in your chosen field.
Your children, when they are older will see their dad for what he is, but right now myself and many posters here can see what a great job you are doing juggling all your responsibilities. Big hug! 🦇

SpinningFloppa · 24/09/2022 10:01

idontwanttoplayanymore · 24/09/2022 01:09

Fuck this bullshit, why is this the standard? I didn’t sign up to be a single parent, but somehow this is the socially accepted form of ‘shared contact’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

Did you read the other thread? That is what most women want, it’s seen as the “ideal” Most said it was the best contact and shared care is “selfish and only for the parents interest” and that kids don’t benefit from 50/50 and it’s bad for them, and damaging, eow is the most ideal contact, this is why it’s standard, people can’t have it both ways. He lives 80 miles away so it wouldn’t be possible now anyway.

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