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Interesting that Trump didn't manage to find a Florida licenced lawyer before arraignment

I'm bloody sick of hearing about Biden's 1850 boxes that "he won't let anyone look at"
Bollocks

Chris Kise, who represented him at the arraignment, is licensed in Florida. I think that Kise at some point had moved from the Mar-a-Lago case to the NY case over various disagreements, and now has had to come back to this case.

I think the larger issue is that Trump is going to need huge legal teams, possibly spread across 4 different states and jurisdictions if DC and Georgia indictments happen and he's having trouble scrambling one together.

Would be awesome if he ended up having to represent himself 😂

Jack Smith's indictment unmasks Trump as a complete and utter buffoon
The emperor has no clothes, but he does have boxes in his bathroom.

https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-indictment-bathroom-boxes-buffoon

I think the larger issue is that Trump is going to need huge legal teams, possibly spread across 4 different states and jurisdictions

But it's all cool to him because chances are he's going to stiff them all anyway.

TBH, I think he'd need separate teams for each case anyway, simply because there are (hopefully) eventually up to SIX cases running concurrently, possibly more.

And yesterday E Jean Carroll was given permission to seek additional damages.

So that's:

3 cases currently active in New York (34 felony counts re Stormy Daniels payoff, E Jean Carroll additional damages, & Trump Organization tax fraud),

The federal case in Florida,

The potential election interference case in Georgia,

The ongoing DoJ federal investigation regarding election interference which I assume would be DC jurisdiction.

As George Takei would say "Oh MY!!!".

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

I did hear Letitia James say that the state cases might be adjourned until there's an outcome in the federal case. I hope not, because I'm loving the pile up and I really like the odds in that Georgia case. It would also be wise to keep them ticking along in case Judge Cannon stays on and tries to drag out the timing in Florida.

Apparently he's planning to pardon himself.

wasn't there something about pardon's being only about federal crimes? or do I remember it wrongly?

No, you're right about that, but the Florida case is a federal case. New York and Georgia are, or will be, state cases. But apparently his plan is to become president again, despite all of it, and pardon himself if/when convicted in Florida. You can't make this up.

Technically, you can be pardoned in a state case, but it's up to the governor (or possibly some other state official).

So that's his 'plan', eh? What a maroon! But just another example of someone who has never truly come up against a brick wall and/or has been able to cheat/payola his way through life.

It would be interesting to know his actual emotions around this. Does he truly believe he's going to skate through all this because of 'who he is' or is he absolutely terrified because he knows he's finally up against adversaries he can't blackmail, bribe, or intimidate? Not that I'd want to poke around in his particular mental sewer, though.

What I DON'T believe for one second is that HE believes it's a 'witch hunt' or that 'the Dems are out to get me'. He knows exactly what he's done and knows it was illegal. He just thought he'd get away with it.

I can't believe we are replicating this in the UK with Johnson's privileges Committee report.

Witch Hunt! Kangaroo Court!!

We are echoing you Across in a minor way... so far...

For some light relief

Unlike Boris Johnson, who just flat out knows he's lying, I go back and forth with Trump on whether he believes his own lies or not. I sometimes think his mental illness or deterioration of whatever it is is so extreme that he starts out just saying stuff and then ends up believing it. His allies and the people around him, though, I honestly have no idea. I mean, Tucker Carlson, for example, clearly knows better.

I go back and forth with Trump on whether he believes his own lies or not. I sometimes think his mental illness or deterioration of whatever it is is so extreme that he starts out just saying stuff and then ends up believing it.

@Wallaw

I believe that he believes he has an absolute right to lie. That's not the same as believing one's lies, just that he believes it's not only acceptable, but morally correct to tell those lies in order to accomplish his aims. And because he truly believes he has the right to lie, he can justify the lies to himself and that's what makes him so convincing in his lies. At least, convincing to the Cult.

I think the difference with Boris is that Boris knows that he's lying, but deep down he also knows that he really should tell the truth. I think that's why Boris' lies just seem so blustery and 'insincere sounding', whereas Trump's seem so 'secure in their own rightness'. I think that difference is why Trump has a true 'cult' and Boris doesn't.

I hope that makes sense.

I hope that makes sense.

It does. Trump genuinely believes in himself in a way Johnson doesn’t. This makes the depiction of “good Boris” and “bad Boris” on the British satirical radio show Dead Ringers so convincing. You wouldn’t have “good Trump” and “bad Trump” in the same vein.

bj treats anything like a debating club.

draw a side and off you go. no own ideas at all.

It really does.

I read somewhere that Johnson is desperate for friends and affirmation all the time, hence his playful nicknames for different Ministers. (Priti Patel AKA "the Pritster")
I think he's hugely insecure hence his shock and horror at being 'found out' for lying

Trumpy thinks he has a God given right

....not a "God given right" - a " Trump given right"

He is, after all, more bigly important than God

😆😆😆

Too true!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/17/trump-republican-party-fascism

A powerful article

Yes, I think that's a very astute perception of his lying. But what do you make of the people around him? Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, etc.?

Have you ever seen this clip? It's clearly not one of his most damaging lies, but one of the most astonishing moments of someone blatantly lying with absolute relish that I've ever seen.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1143504207640715265?s=20

I think Bannon et al have their own agenda and are using Trump's ego for their own aims. Bannon to push his own brand of fascism, Carlson & Ingraham (and the whole Fox crew) to make money.

We already know that Carlson thinks he's a liar and an idiot, he's been caught saying it. Bannon's kept his actual opinion of Trump to himself. He's made a few comments, but nothing truly 'negative'. Ingraham, who the fuck knows. She just lets loose with verbal diarrhoea that flies every which way.

That clip is exactly what I was saying about BoJo. He knew he was lying and he knew he was doing it very, very badly! He was probably saying silently to himself "FGS Boris, shut UP! You're sounding like an absolute TIT!". Trump would have been absolutely convincing about the cardboard buses. He would have known he was lying but would have believed that he was right to lie and so would have been convincing in his 'rightness'.

Personally, if I'd been the interviewer I'd have said "Go on then, Boris, show me one of your cardboard buses with the painted on people!".

There's a really interesting book called Sad Little Men about the psychological and emotional culture of boarding school and the fact that Johnson, David Cameron, Rees-Mogg, etc. were all sent off at a very young age. Lays out some interesting correlations between that and the UK's current situation. The author went to an all boys boarding school from the age of 8.

In the Boris clip, I see more someone enjoying the feeling that he's clever and charming enough (in his own mind) to get away with the blatant lies - that he'll be forgiven because he's special. As opposed to Trump, who cares deeply whether people believe him.

Interestingly, this letter was published in the (UK) Times last week - screen shotted from Twitter because it will be a cold day in hell before I subscribe to a Murdoch paper, even if it's a decent one.

From the years that James Claughton was Master, he wasn't responsible for BJ (I did wonder briefly if he was the one that wrote the very astute assessment of BJ in a school report but realised that the dates didn't match up).

I think that people who become unpleasant politicians would have started being unpleasant people before Eton ever saw them, if I am honest. OEs I have known during my lifetime have not been burdened with a sense of privilege, entitlement and omniscience, especially not the last! Most have been faintly apologetic about being associated with the likes of Rees-Mogg, Cameron and Johnson and have not wanted people to know where they were at school – which after all was not in general their choice but that of their parents.

I know plenty of OEs who are lovely, but if you're arguing that Cameron, R-M and Johnson don't have in common the willingness or ability to accept responsibility for their actions I will have to disagree with you. And while Eton isn't specifically to blame, the larger point is that the psychology of people who are sent to boarding school at the age of 7 or 8 (which they all were, albeit not Eton at that age) is warped by the defences necessary to survive in that environment. I can't find it in me to believe that they were destined to become unpleasant people before the age of 8. I really do highly recommend Sad Little Men if you're interested in a deeper, albeit one-sided, discussion.

But this thread is about Trump, so I won't derail it further, except to add that his upbringing was not a much better environment!