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School is awful!

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anerki101 · 20/09/2022 09:56

DS has just started his second week in reception. It'd bloody awful, miserable and I hate every moment of it.

Firstly, getting up early is just dreadful. I'm not a morning person. I can set various different alarms, with different tones on different devices and I don't hear a single one. I have to rely on poor DH to wake me up. Sometimes I don't hear him and he has to flick me with water.

Before I had DS I had this problem with working FT too. The drudge of waking up at an ungodly hour five days a week. Spending all day in an environment you'd rather not be in with people you'd rather not be with. I'm terrible with routine and having commitments.

Then there's navigating the school run which is the worst kind of torture and you have to do it twice a day. Getting there early enough to find somewhere within walking distance to park or end up trudging miles in the pissing rain. All the parents seem to know each other already and stand around chatting in cliques.

DS is incredibly shy and struggle socially. He seems to get overlooked, forgotten and ignored. I worry dreadfully about him. He doesn't know how to interact with the other children. I fear he's going to get lost in the system both socially and educationally. He didn't eat his Yoghurt one day at school because he couldn't open it. My fault for sending something he couldn't open but I felt terrible he wasn't confident enough to ask one of the lunch time supervisors for help.

I can't help but feel it's wrong as a society that we inflict this on our four year old children. Dragging them out of bed when it's still dark, ignoring their natural body clock, shoving a slice of toast down their throats and sending them off into an unfamiliar environment five days a week. DS has only just turned four and can't yet wipe his own bum. I dread him doing a poo at school and prey that he at least does it towards the end of the day so he doesn't have to spend long covered in his own shit. He still has to be reminded to drink and every day so far he's come home with his water bottle still full to the rim.

It feels so wrong to send a just turned four year old into an environment where he has no help with wiping his bum and no encouragement to drink.

Before anyone starts, I don't for one minute blame the school or DS' teachers. They are brilliant. My issue is with the system itself. The society that requires us to send our children into this environment.

Yes, I know I don't have to. I could homeschool. But it's not that easy is it. Society isn't set up for parents to home school. Mostly, both parents need to work outside the home full time just to keep a roof over their heads.

Nursery was a far better environment. Ds went 15 hours a week. Enough for him to spend time with people outside rhe immediate family and enough for me to have a bit of time to get things done without him in tow. We could choose the hours best suited to us and what worked best for DS. Drinking wasn't an issue. He had help when using the toilet.

I know there was the option to defer school for a year and keep him in nursery for another year but we simply couldn't afford to do this. Also, DS was ready for school in an educational sense just not in an emotional and social sense.

The house feels empty without him too. I feel his absence in the silence.

Just musing really. It's nice to get my thoughts out.

Every day I pick him up from school he isn't himself. He's tired and emotional and has a tantrum over something minor before we've even walked through the front door. It's like he's holding himself in all day and letting it out when he's back with me.

He didn't even manage the first week at school, he caught covid on day four!

OP posts:
unicormb · 20/09/2022 18:46

anerki101 · 20/09/2022 17:44

I've had CBT. It was really unhelpful for me. Which was a shame as I've heard people say how great it's been for them. It didn't work for me.

It often doesn't work in autistic people. And I always wondered why it always didn't work for me. Until I twigged.

fiftySixandsingle · 20/09/2022 18:47

He won’t be csa till next September if an august baby - you can choose the hours that suit you and school can’t do a thing about it . You can do half days or part time anyway you want

Snowpaw · 20/09/2022 19:06

Most young children are early risers in my experience so I don't imagine life to be too much different once school starts? My DD gets up anytime from 6.30am so my day always starts early and she is my alarm clock!

Scatterbrainbox · 20/09/2022 19:08

I am an experienced SEN professional and I want to urge you to speak to school ASAP.
Even without assessments/diagnoses etc the staff need to know the ways in which your son struggles so they can support him.
I am also a neurodiverse mum and honestly, for your own sanity, I would urge you to seek a bit of help. See your GP.
I would not say this if it wasn't causing you difficulties in your everyday life, but it clearly is. And as gently as possible, your son needs to see you using strategies to cope with your difficulties so that he will do the same.
You would be surprised how many of us in the system have real life experience of neurodiversity as well as professional experience. You won't be judged! X

Crunchingleaf · 20/09/2022 19:18

Snowpaw · 20/09/2022 19:06

Most young children are early risers in my experience so I don't imagine life to be too much different once school starts? My DD gets up anytime from 6.30am so my day always starts early and she is my alarm clock!

I am not an early riser and have children who typically would sleep until 8am if left to their own devices. I can’t use my 10 month old as an alarm clock as eldest would be late for school if I did.

YomAsalYomBasal · 20/09/2022 19:29

Agree, it just doesn't suit some of us. I chose to home educate after sticking with it for 3 miserable years. Is there a school near you that allows flexischooling? So they attend for 3 or 4 days a week and you home educate 1 or 2 days.

mycatisannoying · 20/09/2022 20:32

It's hard - and can totally feel like Groundhog Day - but you will get used to it, and it does get easier.
Sounds like you have just the one child. Just as well. Having a baby in tow adds an extra level of misery Grin

Pide · 20/09/2022 21:40

@Choconut - Why do you think that sleep rules out ASHD? I have ADHD and I am a fabulous sleeper. Always have been. I’m talented at going to sleep absolutely anywhere too, airport floors are not a problem for me. Ritalin was particularly problematic when I first started on it as if the dose was a bit too high it would put me to sleep.

The problem is in getting up and getting going in the mornings, particularly in winter. This is a common problem in other ADHD adults I’ve met, mornings are hard enough when just getting yourself up and out.. throw in DC who can be reluctant to get ready and organised (and remember that neurodivergent parents are more likely to have neurodivergent children) and remembering PE kits and stuff, it requires a really early start to get ready and moving for this, but that is hard in itself. Stress makes executive dysfunction first, and worrying about being late is stressful… so it’s the perfect storm at times.

Having ADHD is tiring in itself.

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 22:03

Pide · 20/09/2022 21:40

@Choconut - Why do you think that sleep rules out ASHD? I have ADHD and I am a fabulous sleeper. Always have been. I’m talented at going to sleep absolutely anywhere too, airport floors are not a problem for me. Ritalin was particularly problematic when I first started on it as if the dose was a bit too high it would put me to sleep.

The problem is in getting up and getting going in the mornings, particularly in winter. This is a common problem in other ADHD adults I’ve met, mornings are hard enough when just getting yourself up and out.. throw in DC who can be reluctant to get ready and organised (and remember that neurodivergent parents are more likely to have neurodivergent children) and remembering PE kits and stuff, it requires a really early start to get ready and moving for this, but that is hard in itself. Stress makes executive dysfunction first, and worrying about being late is stressful… so it’s the perfect storm at times.

Having ADHD is tiring in itself.

I struggle getting up and going in the mornings, especially during winter as I suffer from SAD each year. In the school holidays I happily wake later and my dc are naturally late wakers, as in they have never woken before 7.30am without me or an alarm since they were tiny. I also dislike routine (but need structure in the day or i become very depressed) so i choose a job which doesn't mean i am repeating the same thing everyday. I rarely make plans and am spontaneous in nature.

I don't have ADHD though or anything of the sort.

YouOKHun · 20/09/2022 22:15

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 16:01

The OP hasn't been diagnosed with Autism though. If she chose to go with CBT, there would an assessment prior to any possible courses to determine the best route to take.

There isn’t going to be anyone at IAPT qualified to assess any neurodiversity @Rosewaterblossom (Or it’s highly unlikely). IAPT treats mild to moderate depression and anxiety disorders. So it’s highly likely a neurodiversity will be missed and the client assessed as having depression, social anxiety or some form of OCD (for example), though they may be assessed as beyond the scope of IAPT and referred back to their GP. That’s the problem with neurodiversity, it takes a careful diagnosis which takes in history (childhood) and the numerous comorbities. Otherwise people end up being pinged around the system. If someone suspects they have something like ADHD then they’re better off trying to get that assessed by someone qualified to do so (psychiatrist in the case of ADHD). That said, there are some very good accredited CBT therapists who specialise in ADHD or ASD but generally they’re not doing assessments in IAPT.

Pide · 20/09/2022 22:25

I never suggested you did @Rosewaterblossom . You aren’t the OP though and you haven’t talked about having the same issues as she does. Depression isn’t to be minimised but it isn’t the same as being autistic or having ADHD (although, unfortunately, they often go hand in hand)

OnlyMeIJustChangedMyName · 20/09/2022 22:27

I'm sure you won't see this message as it's page 13 or somewhere but I agree with you in every way. Have you thought about flexi school.

Yazo · 20/09/2022 22:27

It's a big change. You'll get used to it, so will your son. It's a good thing, especially after covid, I think kids have had too much time at home. Don't think about all the years stretching before you, they go by very quickly!

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 22:29

YouOKHun · 20/09/2022 22:15

There isn’t going to be anyone at IAPT qualified to assess any neurodiversity @Rosewaterblossom (Or it’s highly unlikely). IAPT treats mild to moderate depression and anxiety disorders. So it’s highly likely a neurodiversity will be missed and the client assessed as having depression, social anxiety or some form of OCD (for example), though they may be assessed as beyond the scope of IAPT and referred back to their GP. That’s the problem with neurodiversity, it takes a careful diagnosis which takes in history (childhood) and the numerous comorbities. Otherwise people end up being pinged around the system. If someone suspects they have something like ADHD then they’re better off trying to get that assessed by someone qualified to do so (psychiatrist in the case of ADHD). That said, there are some very good accredited CBT therapists who specialise in ADHD or ASD but generally they’re not doing assessments in IAPT.

Or it only takes a post or two on Mumsnet it seems to get a diagnosis for neurodiversity! Forget the experts where it takes careful diagnosis which takes (childhood) history and other numerous comorbities into account or assessments from psychiatrists. Just post on MN and you're good to go! 🙄😄

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 22:33

Pide · 20/09/2022 22:25

I never suggested you did @Rosewaterblossom . You aren’t the OP though and you haven’t talked about having the same issues as she does. Depression isn’t to be minimised but it isn’t the same as being autistic or having ADHD (although, unfortunately, they often go hand in hand)

I know you didn't. The point I was making is many people struggle getting up in the morning, struggle with routine, have spontaneous nature's and don't have kids who rise early naturally... but they don't all have ADHD...

Nottidaythanks · 21/09/2022 18:24

You’re not wrong. Sending 4 year olds to school clearly does not work or England would be doing far better in the league tables of developed countries . It’s also not ideal for the actual 4 year olds.

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 21/09/2022 18:30

I’m sorry you are finding this so hard. I’m sure there are things you can do to help yourself though - an earlier bedtime if mornings are tricky? Waking up is difficult but relying on your DH to wake you is both unfair and totally impractical - what if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow?!

Four is young for school, I totally agree, but surely it’s your job to teach him things like wiping his own bum? I’m in Scotland so some children are five before coming into P1 but I’ve taught very few who can’t manage their own toileting.

It sounds like you find routine and commitments difficult to quite a high degree for an adult. Most of us work and do school runs and the rest and that’s just life? If you can afford to not work full time is home education or flexi-schooling an option?

It gets better as they get older but only if you’ve modelled good routines etc.

Earthling1994 · 21/09/2022 18:33

If he’s only just turned 4 he’s probably not ready for school yet.
you don’t have to send them until the term after they turn 5 - why not pull him out, enjoy the next year and start him at compulsory school age instead?

LuckyLil · 21/09/2022 18:38

Is it possible you could perhaps ask the staff if they could check his yoghurt has been opened for him or that he gets reminded to drink some water? I'm sure they can spare a fraction of a second to help.

Thefsm · 21/09/2022 18:45

I understand the getting up early thing. My husband and I have always been night owls, our ideal lifestyle would involve 4am bedtimes and midday wake ups. I’m on medication now that means I often sleep till midday so it is a blessed relief the kids are all teenagers who get themselves up and out now.

it gets better - you find hobbies to fill the hours alone and the kids outgrow the need for constant help and supervision. Homework is a massive ass when they are young, but by middle school things improve.

Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 21/09/2022 18:52

It’s been a real shock to the system in our house too. Our DC sounds very similar in nature to yours. Not sure if you’re after advice or just a bit of a handhold! If you would like a suggestion, don't be afraid to advocate for your child…after an awful, overwhelming and rushed morning handover for the first three days I sent an email saying I was concerned our DC was being overlooked and needed a bit more nurture from staff to help him settle. Felt like that fussy parent BUT went in for a meeting on the Friday, got a bit of a support plan in place for them and it’s been so much better this last week. I’m sure they think I’m over protected but I don’t mind if it means it sets my child up for success in school. School was a miserable time for me so I’m determined to get it right (or as close as I can) for my kids

good luck!

bakewellbride · 21/09/2022 18:55

Are you sure they don't help with bum wiping? Have you specifically asked. My just turned 4 year old is in reception too and they help wipe bums if need be.

AHG1234 · 21/09/2022 18:55

Walk to school. Enjoy spending this time with your child.
They are little for such a short time.
Go to bed earlier yourself.
Get involved at school-hear readers, be a governor.

Wonderfulstuff · 21/09/2022 18:57

My DD has also started in reception this year and yes I agree that we expect far too much from our 4 year olds. I believe that formal education should be delayed. However everything that you describe about him sounds pretty normal to me for a child in their first weeks of reception. If you're overly concerned discuss with the school and maybe consider part time whilst he finds his feet.

However most of your post is just moaning about what an inconvenience it is for you and for that I have very little sympathy.

Also FWIW my DH has ADHD and still manages to get up for work every day and take DD into school when it's his turn. It's not easy for him and is a struggle but he does it without complaining because he is a parent and parents have to put their children's needs before their own so sorry don't buy that as an excuse.

itsgettingweird · 21/09/2022 18:59

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 20/09/2022 10:39

Hi OP,

I'm going to ask something very gently and kindly here. Are you/your son neurodiverse? It isn't usual for adults to not be up and about around 7am when they have young children. You also mention about feeling overwhelmed when there is lots of noise and your son struggling socially. Have either of you ever been assessed for autism/ADHD?

If you are your son are neurodiverse, you could potentially have some extra support from the school/more options available to you if you aren't liking the school system.

I thought that at the post too.

OP I know you said you maybe neurodiverse.

I think accepting that and finding ways around it for you would help. I note you've already waited in car to avoid noise.

What about going in first? More time in playground to start seeing the other parents? How do you feel and do you want to talk to them? Would making friends with other parents and going for odd coffee with them help you?

How about setting yourself something to do each day when you get home. Something that settles you and becomes a routine as that may help you after the insecurity of school runs?

Even just 10 minutes of yoga or some exercises?

But you certainly aren't alone with feeling the school run mornings become a chore in themselves eventually!

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