To be angry fracking ban has been lifted despite Tory manifesto promise?

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I am so annoyed the ban on fracking has been lifted with no real discussion, even though the Tories promised in their manifesto they wouldn't allow it unless it was proven safe. No proof has been published.

Experts say it will not help us with our energy bills, just result in pollution and more profits for energy companies.

for Liz Truss!

YABU: I'm fine with fracking, who needs clean water anyway?
YANBU: I'm annoyed the ban has been reversed

Guess Tory mates benefit from fracking

This. You can pretty much guarantee that the few people who will make shedloads of cash will be close to those in government.

It doesn’t matter if it’s bad for the environment, or completely pointless in terms of the current energy crisis. It’s all about the right people getting their pockets lined

Welcome to Tory Britain 2022.

And yet the silly cow doesn't want to put up solar or wind farms because she doesn't like the look of them and 'to protect the English countryside'

Stop the world, I'd like to get off.

I get closer and closer to voting for an independent Scotland every time a Tory opens their mouth (and I have always been vehemently against it).

Unfortunately due to the UK being so small it is actually going to be near a very large number of houses. Once the water table is polluted we are not goingt o be able to walk that back.

Is one of the reasons for starting off developing fracking in the northwest that we're less reliant on groundwater than other parts of the country? Afaik a lot of drinking water in our area is from rainfall/surface reservoirs, and it's very different to the US where there's a lot more individual wells. I'm not at all sold on fracking for a variety of reasons - the potential damage to the environment due to a polluted water table certainly bothers me, just not sure that the argument re human consumption is one to focus on in this case?

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And yet the silly cow doesn't want to put up solar or wind farms because she doesn't like the look of them and 'to protect the English countryside

And yet this ‘silly cow’ knows how unreliable wind and solar can be, something you seem completely oblivious to.

We might use less groundwater today but as this summer shows - water is a scarce valuable resource that could be severely impacted by climate change

We need to look after it.

At the moment we need all the energy we can get. Fracking is one source. They do it in America with little inconvenience and it is a great source of energy. Of course, whenever we want to get energy out the ground there will always be people who oppose but I just as much dislike the ugly windfarms which disfigure our skyline.@

We need

To insulate homes to reduce need for gas
This is probably easier to do quickly than start new fracking operations

So better for the planet
Better for hard working households
Cheaper for the country

But doesn't benefit a few rich people

Spot on analysis from Phil Moorhouse as ever.

However much we need to insulate homes we still need more gas. We have had our home insulated and we still need gas. Please understand it is not an either / or but a both / and

I think it's brilliant news OP!

If we insulate homes we need far less gas - fracking long term will only supply a tiny fraction of the gas we use today . Insulation will save far more

Long term we need to replace gas heating

What we don't need is to invest in gas

This is simply not true. We need all the gas we can get from every source. The way they are insulating homes around here we are insulating as well so what is the problem?

The tories want it both ways: the NIMBY vote but fracking in areas populated by NIMBYs.

You're in the minority, then. Polling shows the energy crisis has made even tory voters want more investment in renewables and less dependency on fossil fuels, and fracking remains unpopular even though it's domestic.

even tory voters want more investment in renewables and less dependency on fossil fuels

Tory voters may want it, but it’s still a bad idea. I wonder how Germany will fare in the winter—might have to start digging up their coal deposits, which isn’t great. But better than freezing to death

It is not a bad idea

It is the only idea that can give us long term energy security and protect out planet

You can only dig up coal once remember

Germany are in a mess because they shut their nuclear before having an alternative in place - again crappy government choices and knee jerk reactions

YANBU, OP.

We have so much potential for renewables. All that Atlantic wind. (Okay, maybe not so much the solar).

That would get us energy self sufficient with ease, it's cheaper and quicker than nuclear (which I'm not averse to per se, but it's going to take bloody years to build a new reactor).

Fracking is just insanity. Thinking of all the problems caused in the US, and then thinking about how that will map onto the tiny geological lump of the UK, makes me feel ill.

God yes, this. All of this, all day long.

If the last year hasn't demonstrated why dependency on fossils is a bad idea then nothing will. And even if the govt manages to get past the virulent NIMBYism it created to set up sites, fracking isn't a bottomless well.

At some point we will go all in on renewables because there'll be nothing else to do, and we'll look back and wonder why it took so long.

It is the only idea that can give us long term energy security and protect out planet

But it does neither of those things. Watch the video I posted for why this does nothing in terms energy security. The gas is sold on the international market at market prices. And causing earthquakes in previously stable areas is hardly caring for the planet, is it.

At some point we will go all in on renewables because there'll be nothing else to do, and we'll look back and wonder why it took so long.

We'll need to look no further than the massively invested energy companies, shareholders, and profit forecasts to find the answer.

I've paid for my insulation, I do know about renewables,. Grow own vegetables, have hens, ducks, geese, guinea fowl to care for. On a septic tank.

Tell me what's your contribution?

I was meaning renewables plus electricity storage are what we need

Not tracking

Serves me right browsing whilst in. Boring meetings

Ah ok sorry midge. Yes completely agree.