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To be angry fracking ban has been lifted despite Tory manifesto promise?

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carefullycourageous · 13/09/2022 21:25

I am so annoyed the ban on fracking has been lifted with no real discussion, even though the Tories promised in their manifesto they wouldn't allow it unless it was proven safe. No proof has been published.

Experts say it will not help us with our energy bills, just result in pollution and more profits for energy companies.

Biscuit for Liz Truss!

YABU: I'm fine with fracking, who needs clean water anyway?
YANBU: I'm annoyed the ban has been reversed

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MarshaMelrose · 14/09/2022 02:19

Just to ask @user1477391263 , are they fracking under your house?

user1477391263 · 14/09/2022 03:53

I live in Japan so definitely not!
I fully support the Japanese government getting the nuclear power plants online though.

hattie43 · 14/09/2022 05:25

Fex · 13/09/2022 21:38

We should do everything possible to be self sufficient in this country on food, fuel and everything else so we are not plunged into crisis at the whim of the Russians, the French or anyone else.
If that means fracking so be it, and the failure to plan for future nuclear power was criminal.

This

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 14/09/2022 19:10

Fracking will not make us "self sufficient" or anywhere close. Wholesale gas prices are set globally any British produced gas will sell at the same rate no matter how much they produce.
Fracking will NOT help this winter or next. It will take years of exploration and building of infrastructure before a single therm is extracted.
The only people set to benefit from the ban being lifted are a small number of exploration firms who will no doubt be given millions of tax payers money before coming up with absolutely nothing.
Do not let the Tories fool you into thinking this will help anyone but their chums. Truss used to be an accountant for Shell.

stayathomegardener · 14/09/2022 19:16

I'm with you, it would decimate our area.

Time to start campaigning again, several sites have proved non starters with effective campaigns last time.

BattenburgSlice · 14/09/2022 19:20

Tories give zero shits about the environment shocker! It’s what I would expect to happen.

BerriesOnTop · 14/09/2022 19:37

Fracking is fine, we had an industry in my hometown until the price war between Saudi and Russia killed it. Drank the water and everything 😆

I would prefer less polluting options first, fracking is the absolute shittest dirtiest energy, it is the only thing worse than coal

Guarantee you’d not want to live next to a coal mine OR a coal plant. They truly are dirty and can lead to nasty health effects. Natural gas is so much more clean burning than coal anyway.

Like any industry, fracking can cause problems, but not any more so than any other drilling or mining operation. Not sure why fracking gets singled out here (probably for the same reason as nuclear, just mindless fear-mongering).

StoneofDestiny · 14/09/2022 19:46

Are there seriously still people expecting Tories to tell the truth? 😂😂

Fex · 14/09/2022 22:01

. It will take years of exploration and building of infrastructure before a single therm is extracted
Is that a reason to do nothing? So lets not start building a wind farm or a nuclear power plant because it will take years to come to fruition?

Discovereads · 14/09/2022 22:22

Valeriekat · 14/09/2022 01:07

Where does the radioactive water come from?

The Carboniferous Shale that is in the U.K. has natural gas and radon gas in it (as well as methane). Radon is a naturally occurring radioactive gas, which causes lung cancer in humans- it’s the #1 cause of lung cancer in nonsmokers this is no joke. The process of hydraulic fracking is to inject at high pressure a mixture of water and chemicals into the bedrock to fracture the shale. This not only releases the natural gas, it also releases the radon gas (and methane, oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, sulphide and other rare gases) from the shale.

The fracking plant then captures the natural gas to pipe and use for energy, but some radon gas and some methane actually dissolve into the hydraulic water/chemical mixture that is used of which only an average of 40% is recaptured and put into containment pools of literally radioactive toxic waste. Trillions of litres, that we then have to somehow deal with. The remaining 60% of this toxic, radioactive liquid trickles about underground running into nooks, crannies, the ground water aquifers causing earthquakes and landslides, eventually seeping into surrounding lakes, rivers, streams and causing environmental damage to plants, wildlife and often contaminating our own water supply.

Now, not all the radon gas (and other gases) gets dissolved into the hydraulic water/chemical mix, some of it escapes and as radon does when it’s released, it drifts up through the ground and into all the buildings built above where the fracking underground is occurring. Numerous studies have shown elevations in radon levels in homes in these areas, elevating lung cancer risk for the people living there.

Many of the other gases, methane and CO2 especially are gases that cause global warming. So the process of fracking adds to the climate change crisis even before a single therm of the natural gas it produces is burned.

carefullycourageous · 14/09/2022 22:28

Fex · 14/09/2022 22:01

. It will take years of exploration and building of infrastructure before a single therm is extracted
Is that a reason to do nothing? So lets not start building a wind farm or a nuclear power plant because it will take years to come to fruition?

It doesn't seem worth ruining the environment for something that won't help with the current crisis, to me. It isn't a sensible long term option really, when you look at what we will lose.

Wind farms can be up so much more quickly and nuclear has more longevity (although I am not mad for nuclear, it makes more sense than fracking).

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carefullycourageous · 14/09/2022 22:30

BerriesOnTop · 14/09/2022 19:37

Fracking is fine, we had an industry in my hometown until the price war between Saudi and Russia killed it. Drank the water and everything 😆

I would prefer less polluting options first, fracking is the absolute shittest dirtiest energy, it is the only thing worse than coal

Guarantee you’d not want to live next to a coal mine OR a coal plant. They truly are dirty and can lead to nasty health effects. Natural gas is so much more clean burning than coal anyway.

Like any industry, fracking can cause problems, but not any more so than any other drilling or mining operation. Not sure why fracking gets singled out here (probably for the same reason as nuclear, just mindless fear-mongering).

I don't much want to live next to a coal plant, but I don't want fracking either.

It isn't mindless fear-mongering to oppose something on environmental grounds.

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carefullycourageous · 14/09/2022 22:33

user1477391263 · 14/09/2022 01:57

We are staring down the barrel of a difficult winter. Long term, we need to double down on renewables, better storage, hydrogen and modern safe nuclear (small modular reactors), but all this will take time, and we need some extra energy now. Fracking should not be a long term thing, but I think this is the right decision (for once) from dizzy Lizzy.

I would rather see this than the combustion of filthy coal, or people trying to burn wood in poorly maintained fireplaces out of desperation.

we need some extra energy now but fracking won't give you any energy now Confused It will be at least ten years and won't make energy any cheaper anyway.

we are staring down the barrel of a difficult winter - I think you misunderstand, there will be no fracked energy for a decade.

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Elodie09 · 14/09/2022 22:41

Anyone fancy having a Fracking site on their road?
Any MP's volunteering to have it on their land/property?
Anyone?

Clavinova · 14/09/2022 23:05

Desmorelda
Tories have well and truly caused much of this crisis

Interesting that your Guardian link quotes the energy minister from 2013 without mentioning that his boss at the time was Ed Davey. In fact both Secretaries of State for Energy 2010-2015 were Liberal Democrats.

MarshaMelrose · 15/09/2022 02:04

Like any industry, fracking can cause problems, but not any more so than any other drilling or mining operation. Not sure why fracking gets singled out here.

It gets singled out because some people were experiencing earthquake after earthquake. Cracks were appearing in peoples houses. There were no police to investigate crimes in the area but there were enough police to sit in vans reading newspapers just in case a riot broke out when in fact the protestors were old ladies brewing tea in a home made lean to.

If they started drilling or mining under my house, I'd be up in arms about that as well.

Daisymae55 · 15/09/2022 02:13

Discovereads · 13/09/2022 21:48

Fracking isn’t a path to self-sufficiency its a path to suicide.

This ^

After the summer we’ve just had you would think people would wake up and give a shit about protecting our environment and global warming. Fracking is the worst thing she could have done, even Boris wasn’t that fucking thick

MarshaMelrose · 15/09/2022 02:25

Clavinova · 14/09/2022 23:05

Desmorelda
Tories have well and truly caused much of this crisis

Interesting that your Guardian link quotes the energy minister from 2013 without mentioning that his boss at the time was Ed Davey. In fact both Secretaries of State for Energy 2010-2015 were Liberal Democrats.

Honestly, I don't give a rat's tutu how we got there. I only care that we don't go there again!

fUNNYfACE36 · 15/09/2022 02:33

carefullycourageous · 13/09/2022 21:43

It will not make us anymore self-sufficient according to the industry, as they will flog it on the open market. It won;t be 'ours'.

I would prefer less polluting options first, fracking is the absolute shittest dirtiest energy, it is the only thing worse than coal.

The government can put conditions on the licence to make sure this doesn't happen

Discovereads · 15/09/2022 02:42

carefullycourageous · 14/09/2022 22:28

It doesn't seem worth ruining the environment for something that won't help with the current crisis, to me. It isn't a sensible long term option really, when you look at what we will lose.

Wind farms can be up so much more quickly and nuclear has more longevity (although I am not mad for nuclear, it makes more sense than fracking).

Doesn’t everyone know we already have several high volume fracking plants in the U.K.?
frack-off.org.uk/extreme-energy-fullscreen/

They suspended fracking due to the fracking ban in 2019 due to both a 2.9 earthquake caused by one plant and the tons of environmental research published about how harmful it is. But with Truss lifting the ban, it’s as easy as flipping a switch. Oh, and the fracking firms are currently lobbying for the earthquake limits to be increased to magnitude 4 before they have to pause hydraulic drilling.

MarshaMelrose · 15/09/2022 02:45

The government can put conditions on the licence to make sure this doesn't happen.

Can they put conditions on the licence that I'm not woken up by earthquakes and there'll be no cracks appearing in my walls or foundations?
Oh wait, we already had all those assurances that that wouldn't happen and yet...they did.

malificent7 · 15/09/2022 06:41

Yanbu ...in the meantime the help towards solar panels has stopped and my local tory mp hs ignored my email asking if it could be reinstated.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 15/09/2022 06:51

theemmadilemma · 13/09/2022 21:41

Tories don't deliver on promise! SHOCKER!

'Idiots don't understand how the world has changed since 2019' SHOCKER.

I'm on the fence about fracking, but taking a pot shot at the Tories because they have had to go against something in their manifesto when the ENTIRE world has changed just makes people look a bit stupid really.

purplethings · 15/09/2022 06:57

Fossil fuels cause climate change. If you don't like the thought of an energy crisis the reality of the coming climate crisis should terrify you !
Governments should be investing in alternative forms of energy to protect our planet and our children's future.

carefullycourageous · 15/09/2022 07:09

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 15/09/2022 06:51

'Idiots don't understand how the world has changed since 2019' SHOCKER.

I'm on the fence about fracking, but taking a pot shot at the Tories because they have had to go against something in their manifesto when the ENTIRE world has changed just makes people look a bit stupid really.

If fracking would help solve the crisis I'd agree, but we have any energy crisis now and fracking will take minimum ten years - so no help. It is just a load of distraction and you seem to have fallen for it. The industry itself will profit but I will not benefit in terms of reduced prices.

What do you think you'll get out of this decision other than a degraded environment?

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