I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

sorry for posting twice!

While there may be a practical limit on how many people can either get to Edinburgh or fit on to the pavements, I was in town this afternoon at the time of the church service and it was deserted. In Wilko, besides staff there was me and one other shopper. On the High St there were only students just come out of lectures at the nearby college. I suspect a lot of people were watching TV.

Istanbul doesn't have a monarchy anymore, but the castles, treasures, artefacts and history can all be visited. It brings in a huge amount of money to the country.

People come to see the riches, history and the castles. They don't get to see the royal family.

We don't need to prop up royals to benefit from the tourism it brings in.

Abolish the monarchy!

But we will be stuck with the politicians regardless…..

As King Mick Lynch would say Enough is Enough!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/12/republican-britain-why-are-people-getting-arrested

A very interesting piece by historian David Edgerton in the guardian about the Tories and the monarchy.

Essentially they are moving away from it and other institutions like the C of E , the universities , BBC etc. They are not conservatives really and their allegiance is to global finance.

For all those saying that an elected head of state can be removed and another elected, yes they can.
However small changes can be done over them years, small changes that over numerous amounts of years are difficult to remove and could very easily be detrimental to our grandchildren, such as the way politics is and has always been, but electing our head of state would only serve to make matters worse.

Another thing, for anyone saying to not just look at what goes on in the states, or suggesting another way of electing in head of state - it’s all well and good saying that, if the world was fair and people were honest without feeling the need to put themselves before others, but it’s not a perfect world, the world is full of power mad dictators that only seek to serve themselves.
There would be nothing to stop anyone from influencing who and how someone would be elected.

I do think it’s good to have the debate, and if everything regarding pros and cons were clear, I think many more would support the monarchy.

@Mannymoomin eh what???? I think if people really understood the depths of poor behaviour of the royals there is no way on earth they’d support them.

i have absolutely no idea what you mean though - such a bizarre argument. The logical conclusion being we should have no democracy at all. So odd.

@OnlyEverAutumn poor behaviour goes on everywhere, it’s only because the RF are so heavily scrutinised that the poor behaviour is so recognised.

But the poor behaviour isn’t recognised! And they are there through accident of birth and we can’t get rid of them 🙄. It’s unbelievable that people can’t see what a ludicrous lot of bollocks this is in the 21st century. I’m utterly incredulous!

If we were to get rid of them, and elect in a head of state then matters will only get worse.
People are power mad, anyone that wants to be elected to such a position will do so only because they want the power, not because they want to make a difference.
And like I said before, there’s the issue of all the other super powers globally, that will do what they can to influence decisions here for their own reasons.
Yes, it’s shit, but I really don’t see how electing a head of state will make us better off

However small changes can be done over them years, small changes that over numerous amounts of years are difficult to remove and could very easily be detrimental to our grandchildren, such as the way politics is and has always been, but electing our head of state would only serve to make matters worse.

Very true and we’re watching it in action. Here we have illegal proroguing of parliament, lying to the Queen, attempts to sever ties with the ECHR, removal of workers’ rights, the list goes on. And fuck only knows what’s going on in Westminster while we’re busy squabbling over whether we should have a monarchy. Meanwhile women in the US have been robbed of their right to abortion, thanks to Trump loading the judiciary with his thugs.

@Mannymoomin that is I’m afraid utter rubbish. Our democratic system is desperately unfit for purpose and it needs a total overhaul but keeping an hereditary monarchy does not improve it in anyway whatsoever. Indeed it leads to this fantasy that there is a “ruling class”. Getting rid of them would not make things worse.

@Blossomtoes the US has an elected head of state so I don’t understand your comparison - you say that both systems are shit? I agree. The US system is not one to aspire to.

Fuck knows what us going on in westminster while the country needlessly grinds to a halt for two weeks, more like

Agree with everything you have said OP

We are constitutional peasants - Monty Python did the best takedown in their King Arthur and the Knights if the Holy Grail movie...

It’d make things worse because we’d have to elect X, X would make things worse and even though there would be ways to remove X, it’ll always be another X in power, and X will always seek to serve their interests first.
Then you’ve got Y and Z globally that think of their own interests, they could very well influence X

Same thing. I dread to think what’s going on in Downing Street right now.

One set of pro monarchy posters are saying that the royals are just cuddly figureheads. The other that they are white knights who will protect our abortion rights.
They can't be both.

Nobody’s said anything about our abortion rights. This isn’t the US.

Having a monarchy offers a country much more stability than counties that change their elected head of states every 4 years. In those counties the head of state barely gets established before they get voted out and I feel that it leads to turmoil and arguments all the time. Even worse if you get someone like Trump, Boris, Putin, Bush…even have my doubts about Biden.

I also like that the head of state in our monarchy is apolitical meaning it can be for everyone not just those that agree with their views.

so I am in favouring of keeping it thanks

History has proven having a monarch doesn’t prevent a determined or potentially dangerous political leader. The queen has never stood between us and anarchy or dictatorship, however much the pro royalists have liked to suggest.

I’m afraid a large number of the British public like to know their place and feel happier, for some reason, with a clear social order - even if that order is 100 years out of date.

How dare Charles lecture us on climate change and then keep a fleet of cars. Even if some of them run of vegetable oil, is there really a necessity for so many? How dare William and Harry talk about the protection of wildlife and the queen be patron of the RSPCA when the whole family takes pleasure from killing animals for their entertainment. Their jollies to other countries under the umbrella of trade missions are a farce. Do we seriously think other nations deal with us because we have a royal family? International trade is based on price and commodity. Royal visits are more about their own PR and justifying their own validity.

I’ve also heard a few mutterings about the fact that if Charles hadn’t been unfaithful, Diana’s life story might have been different and she would now be the rightful queen. I’m no fan of Charles particularly, but who do you think pushed him into a loveless marriage with the nearest available virgin in order to fulfil his duty and destiny? Yes, his parents.

please learn to read

@Kellie45 what ?!