I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

Does living with a hereditary monarchy preclude freedom of speech also then?

interesting (but perhaps not surprising!) that the royalists are advocating for a #nodebate authoritarian approach rather than any kind of reasoned discussion

I think the point that Ronbo was making is that those are all countries with a monarchy too!

My dad's comment yesterday: 'It shows our system works. Look what happened when Trump had to transfer over power!'

Off you pop! Ha ha. What's that all about.

He was managed out because he wanted to marry a divorced American woman. If he hadn’t been in that situation we would have had a Nazi sympathiser on the throne. Don’t kid yourself.

This. Perhaps it’s my age, 73, but I’m astonished at the lack of knowledge about the succession

Honestly this is the most infuriating sort of sneery superioriy; posters constantly telling people who sincerely believe in change that they are ignorant about the way things work! "It has always worked this way for years therefore it must always work this way" is such a crass argument!

The republican movement is - obviously - all about challenging "the way things work". It is not necessarily ignorance that prompts someone with an enquiring mind to question why things always work the way they have? Surely it is more ignorant to blindly accept and never challenge the status quo?

You do realise that someone in the dim and distant past literally 'made up' a lot of these rules in order to protect royal privelege and the establishment as we currently know it?

Why is it not possible to even have a civilised discourse about the possibility of change?

Millions of kids are “above” your kids though in terms of privilege. If it was between your kids and the Kardashian's little ones there’s would be no contest. Yours would lose on everything from play dates to getting into Uni. It’s all flukes of birth. Difference is your kids can succeed at whatever they like whilst the Royals have to be more considered.

There are also thousands of children with inherited wealth, status and power that wouldn’t be the least bit affected with the dissolution of the monarchy. Massive family estates, millions in the bank, assts worth a fortune and a traceable family heritage of privilege. What are going to do about them?

Royal Family costs us £100 million a year and we got Elizabeth.

The last US Presidential Election cost $14 billion dollars (would have paid for the Royal Family for 120 years) to choose between Biden or Trump.

In 2024 they are going to do it again. I guess it will be cheaper this time because we know the people in charge of these things don't like to waste peoples' money.

You don’t have to bow or curtsey to royalty - that’s rubbish. How many people did you see doing that when the King and the others were doing their walkabouts? None.

The bowing and curtseying is part of formal occasions, just like standing when the judge enters a court. Every society has its traditions, etiquette and formalities. It helps to create cohesiveness and continuity. We cut ourselves adrift from our history at our peril, imo.

And the president of Uruguay lived in a shack with a chicken shed. Why does everyone assume it would be the US model? And even so, we're not paying for security for Obama's random cousins for ever more.

The republican movement is - obviously - all about challenging "the way things work". It is not necessarily ignorance that prompts someone with an enquiring mind to question why things always work the way they have? Surely it is more ignorant to blindly accept and never challenge the status quo?

In most organisations it’s not considered a good thing to be the type of person who says “but we’ve always done things this way”.

On an older (prior to Queens death) thread, it was widely discussed that many of the top most stable democracies in the world have monarchies, and many of those with presidents are unstable and despotic.

It doesn't follow that one or other is better than either. But when you have a stable, democratic and constitutional system in place, I don't see a need to change it. I also think that retaining the hundreds years old pomp and ceremony, for these occasions, is important for sense of place and history, and gives us all thought for what came before, and where we are now.

But when you have a stable, democratic and constitutional system in place, I don't see a need to change it.

Please explain how a hereditary monarch is democratic.

My angle is that superiority, status, hierarchy, entitlement, self importance are not values and characteristics we aspire to in this day and age. Especially when raising children. The royal family is not a healthy environment for children.

To be honest I’m very unbothered by the royal family.
I don’t think I’d curtesy but I have no problem with them so long as they wield no actual power. I quite like the living history part of it. Some of / most of it is archaic and ridiculous but it’s fascinating to understand why those traditions were established.

Wow, this is one of the most ignorant posts I've read on here. Good old British superiority complex.

Not to mention that the point the poster was making has gone completely over your head.

And Uruguay is ranked first in Latin America in democracy, peace, and low perception of corruption. It is the lowest ranking South American nation in the Global Terrorism Index, and ranks second in the continent on economic freedom, income equality, and per-capita income. Make of that what you will.

many of the top most stable democracies in the world have monarchies, and many of those with presidents are unstable and despotic

and many stable democracies have presidents, and many monarchies are despotic. This is obvious.

It’s designed to shut down the conversation and keep you in your place. If you try to put forward a sensible argument they’ll just keep repeating it in a kind of harsh, Katie Hopkins manner and then go back to reading their copy of the Daily Mail. I hate the phrase but ‘You can’t argue with stupid’.

It's quite sad when a lot of the arguments for a republic are based on money, and jealousy.

How ridiculous! One would have to be mad to be jealous of a member of the RF imho. Part of the reason I am a republican is that I think having a RF is very bad psychologically for the individuals involved, especially in the age of the mobile phone. And especially for their young DC. Imagine how all of ones friendships are potentially skewed when you are born in to the immense privilege such as theirs.

And I do happen to think that having one very rich privileged family at the heart of our nation is very bad for it. It embeds and glamorizes privilege at the heart of our society. I believe in meritocracy.

Again, royalists broach no proper arguments other than to bleat "your jealous"! Pathetic!

ALL of these countries have a constitutional monarchy.

Do people really not understand the difference between a US President and a UK Head of State? 🤦

It was a stroke of luck that Eddie and his fellow Nazi sympathising wife Wallis Simpson were booted out when they were. Of course they wouldn’t have had any power, but as head of state they could have been a terrible influence on the British populous (who at that time especially revered the monarch) on their general feeling towards the Nazis.

It could have been a very different war.

Oops - "you're jealous" that should have read.

It's completely bizarre to argue that abolishing the monarchy would result in a fascist government. There's no evidence to suggest that it wouldn't be exactly like the Irish model.

They have budget monarchies not the luxury model we have.