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Charles won't pay inheritance tax on what he inherits from the queen..

299 replies

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 18:12

Are people aware? And think this is OK ?

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hattie43 · 11/09/2022 19:01

I'd rather he didn't tie some of his subjects into unfair leaseholds .

Grumpybutfunny · 11/09/2022 19:02

Because it belongs to the crown only a very small proportion is actually held by the family. If you have enough money it is economically viable to set up similar trusts to avoid inheritance tax. It's also a form of assets protection. I don't get annoyed when companies use the law to pay the correct amount of tax, it's called tax planning. Why would they pay more than they legally have to. The only annoyance for me is the companies that go "bankrupt" to avoid a tax bill then start up again hours later with a slightly different name.

Personally I don't agree with inheritance tax why should I pay tax on money that my family has already paid tax on. I'm a net contributor already so it's just an added tax burden at a time of grief.

The jealousy of the royals at a time of bereavement for the family speaks volumes for this country. Instead of being jealous of what they have, work, innovate, or expand to earn a place in that rank of society if that is what you desire. Personably I prefer the flamboyance and extravagance of new money it looks much more fun.

But don't drag a normal family who is grieving the loss of a much loved family member through the mud for your own jealousy. Publishing details of their traditions finances, property or investments in the gutter press feels like sticking a knife in and twisting it as hard as you can. That mother, grandmother and great grandmother isn't even buried yet.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/09/2022 19:03

TheUsualChaos · 11/09/2022 18:56

Lucky him, no one should have to.

He has and will pay millions of pounds of tax over his lifetime though.

Will he? Where are the records as to that?

Hint: you won't find them. For the very good reason that their finances are secret and the whole family is exempt from the FOI Act.

hattie43 · 11/09/2022 19:03

There's a big leasehold reform supposedly coming and he's persuading the government to leave it be . This is his opportunity to abolish the last bastion of feudalism and he won't take it

AlienatedChildGrown · 11/09/2022 19:03

I have lived in a republic for nearly 30 years. I left GB with the hazy idea of “royalty s’not fair” and a sense of a republic being cheaper, more modern, nepotism-free, merit driven, more transparent, less prone to all the “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours”.

Those illusions got beaten out me and my pay packet at quite a fast clip.

Come to me with a clear, “flesh on bones” plan for an alternative that loses none of the soft power and eliminates the bulk of the flaws and I’m open to persuasion. But just waggling “s’not fair” and an assumption that well oiled, transparent and fair republics just drop out the sky isn’t persuasive.

I have as much desire for Brexit 2.0 levels of upheaval and complication as I do for repeatedly stabbing pins in my eyes. I’m running on fumes thanks to “interesting times”. Before I can get my head around the chaos and upheaval of one massive New Thingie, the next one crashes over me like another wave of WTF. It’s like the mental/emotional version of my painkiller free induction. Couldn’t even catch my breath from the last massive contraction before the next even bigger one gripped me.

I think I’m officially old. “Yeah ! Let’s burn it all down in the hope that something great will fill the vacuum with little to no friction in the process” is now deeply unappealing. I want to know exactly what and how the replacement of one system with another will look like. With an awful lot of supplementary documentation of the “here’s what we think could be the potential unintended consequences and this is how we hope to minimise the risk of them”.

All of that in a nice large font (cos I have no idea where my glasses have gone) before I’ll even raise a glimmer of interest in getting cross with, led alone rid of, a system full of people lives’ that I do not envy.

Kezzie200 · 11/09/2022 19:03

They should pay IHT but there would have been a lot of trusts, agricultural, business, heritage allowance planning going on (if the allowances still exist) which presumably she didn't need to bother with as her estate avoids it.

But, yes, they should pay.

Againstmachine · 11/09/2022 19:04

And yet most of these moronic comments come from people on an average wage, or below.

Wow just wow, all these people who work in minimum wage jobs keeping the country going, must not be allowed an opinion.

LePigeon · 11/09/2022 19:06

INXS21 · 11/09/2022 18:53

Except it’s considered ok for some posters to complain about the royal family not paying tax?

Because it's the public funded head of state and his family? Not exactly random members of the public. And why shouldn't they pay tax?

countrygirl99 · 11/09/2022 19:07

INXS21 · 11/09/2022 18:29

What annoys me is all the people complaining about ‘their taxes’ funding the Royal Family and ‘what it costs me’, yet you need to earn about £50k pa before you’re a net contributor. And yet most of these moronic comments come
from people on an average wage, or below. .

I'm a net contributers I'm allowed to complain.

Lockheart · 11/09/2022 19:08

wonderstuff · 11/09/2022 18:54

The fact that incredibly rich families can tie up vast estates in trust and pass them on untaxed is awful and places huge amounts of land and property into a very small number of hands. I paid inheritance tax, it would have seemed reasonable if the super wealthy weren’t able to avoid it. Other countries don’t allow these trusts and are able to prevent foreign billionaires from buying up huge swathes of land and property.

Royal will’s should be public, everyone should pay inheritance tax or no one should and giving all children a right to equal inheritance would break up some of these ridiculously big estates. How much does one family need?

All new trusts which are formed after 2003 will be part of the relevant property regime.

This means they pay inheritance tax:

  • When assets are settled into the trust
  • When assets leave the trust (a proportionate, or exit, charge)
  • Every ten years regardless (a principal charge)

Trusts do not get you out of IHT - not any more.

You might be able to claim things like APR / BPR, but these are reliefs which are available to everyone who owns farmland or businesses and aren't trust-specific.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/09/2022 19:09

Againstmachine · 11/09/2022 19:04

And yet most of these moronic comments come from people on an average wage, or below.

Wow just wow, all these people who work in minimum wage jobs keeping the country going, must not be allowed an opinion.

Yes. Or they're 'jealous'. Or better yet, in pure Toryspeak, they should just 'work harder' and they, too, could be in a position of hiding from the tax office and shrouding your financial dealings by a means unavailable to any other citizens of these islands.

Really, that's the best arguments people seem to be able to come up with for the continuation of this archaic, hereditary system. Those who kept this nation running through the pandemic were not the likes of the Mountbatten Windsors' repetitive parrotting of the words 'amazing' and 'inspirational' through a webcam. They were supermarket workers, essential services workers, nurses, doctors, many of them netting on or near the minimum wage. But apparently it's quite okay to have contempt for or despise these people (note snide comments above about who pays what tax and people on 'average wage), whilst sucking up to bone idle people who've barely done a stroke in relation to the very considerable privilege conferred on them without recourse to a vote.

No wonder those people find this system so hard to defend without resorting to sneering and insults.

user1497787065 · 11/09/2022 19:15

Our opinions all differ on raising or
Spending of public money.

I'm happy that inheritance tax is not payable
On the transfer of the Queen's assets to King Charles III.

I'm not happy that my neighbours children have a free school lunch as it is not necessary as they can afford to provide
Lunch for them. I'm not happy that free childcare is also available.

Our opinions all differ on these matters.

iamjustwinginglife · 11/09/2022 19:16

Rollingdownland · 11/09/2022 18:17

Bore off with your goady threads and live in a republic instead.

This

iamjustwinginglife · 11/09/2022 19:17

Mehhhhhhh · 11/09/2022 18:20

It’s outrageous, and what’s equally awful is the number of serfs here who think it’s ok.

...do need ketchup with that?

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 19:20

Couldn’t care less. The Duke of Westminster is much, much richer than the royal family, his family doesn’t pay inheritance tax either.

m00rfarm · 11/09/2022 19:20

hattie43 · 11/09/2022 19:03

There's a big leasehold reform supposedly coming and he's persuading the government to leave it be . This is his opportunity to abolish the last bastion of feudalism and he won't take it

So you say it is "supposedly" coming (so you don't actually know whether it is or not) but are quite confident that he is "persuading the government to leave it be". Right. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you why your comment is worthless.

PestorPeston · 11/09/2022 19:20

I know some people hate facts but you know, just try inews.co.uk/news/sovereign-grant-how-much-where-royal-family-money-what-crown-estate-means-1847323

I think my £1.29 is a quite reasonable investment.

Hawkins001 · 11/09/2022 19:24

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 18:21

Really ? Do you get worked up when politicians or companies use LEGAL tax avoidance ( not evasion ) schemes ? Or accountants to help them keep their tax bills as low as possible ?

Or did you judge certain companies for using the furlough scheme ? Because the companies are winded by rich individuals ?

Seems hypocritical to me that we judge people for paying lower tax ( legally ) and are just fine with the KING not paying inheritance tax... seems weird. And before you say that he pays other tax, so do other wealthy individuals who get completely rinsed by the media for making sensible tax savings.

As the structure is set up differently due to the sovereign rules , then it could be debated that it's a not an issue, due to the taxes not being needed to be paid to begin with.

Culldesack · 11/09/2022 19:24

FayeGovan · 11/09/2022 18:43

I hate to tell you but Charles wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, no matter what you tell yourself..

They rely on your servitude so well done..

Well done for what.. having a different opinion to you?

Novella4 · 11/09/2022 19:24

Yeah right. A few pennies each .

https://www.republic.org.uk/thetrueecostoffthe_royals

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 19:26

Novella4 · 11/09/2022 19:24

Yeah right. A few pennies each .

https://www.republic.org.uk/thetrueecostoffthe_royals

If you believe what an organisation with such an obviously biased agenda says you probably also believe in fairies.

user2485389 · 11/09/2022 19:27

Againstmachine · 11/09/2022 19:04

And yet most of these moronic comments come from people on an average wage, or below.

Wow just wow, all these people who work in minimum wage jobs keeping the country going, must not be allowed an opinion.

Of course they should be allowed an opinion, but when you aren't a net contributor, you should probably be cautious about throwing around the 'my taxes pay for' argument yourself as you are taking out more than you put in

Novella4 · 11/09/2022 19:27

Lol

It's all factual . Check it for yourself

Culldesack · 11/09/2022 19:28

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/09/2022 19:09

Yes. Or they're 'jealous'. Or better yet, in pure Toryspeak, they should just 'work harder' and they, too, could be in a position of hiding from the tax office and shrouding your financial dealings by a means unavailable to any other citizens of these islands.

Really, that's the best arguments people seem to be able to come up with for the continuation of this archaic, hereditary system. Those who kept this nation running through the pandemic were not the likes of the Mountbatten Windsors' repetitive parrotting of the words 'amazing' and 'inspirational' through a webcam. They were supermarket workers, essential services workers, nurses, doctors, many of them netting on or near the minimum wage. But apparently it's quite okay to have contempt for or despise these people (note snide comments above about who pays what tax and people on 'average wage), whilst sucking up to bone idle people who've barely done a stroke in relation to the very considerable privilege conferred on them without recourse to a vote.

No wonder those people find this system so hard to defend without resorting to sneering and insults.

Yes, sneering and insults just about sums you up. Glad you've acknowledged it. That's very rare.

TooBored1 · 11/09/2022 19:28

Are people aware that there is a difference betweens the queen's personal wealth and the Crown estate?

The queen's personal wealth, IE the houses, investments, jewellery, art etc that belonged to HER, is estimated at around £350million. Thus was hers to do with as she wished. The IHT on that would pay for a few hospitals I'm sure.

This is separate from the multi billion Crown estate.