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To suggest cyclists need to be licensed

242 replies

savethebeesandthecees · 04/09/2022 08:59

And also pay Road Tax and risk having their licence revoked for misuse.

I'm saying this as a pedestrian. Nearly hit again by a cyclist going through a red light. Others routinely mount the pavement to swerve red lights. I'm sick of it. If I film them as evidence, so what? What are the consequences?

Something needs to change.

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PastaForLife · 04/09/2022 09:00

There’s no such thing as road tax.

Myyearmytime · 04/09/2022 09:03

Most definitely.
Anyone can ride a bike you don't need a eye test to do so.
There need to massive law change because lots of bike have motor now.

Sidnnancy · 04/09/2022 09:04

PastaForLife · 04/09/2022 09:00

There’s no such thing as road tax.

slow clap is that all you could get from the op?

Yes I agree bar the road tax, some cyclists really do take the piss and have killed pedestrians.

Spectre8 · 04/09/2022 09:07

And then what will you do if the licence is a fake one.. I mean come on the problem wont go away just by simply introducing a licence plate on bikes.

Just like car drivers who kill and injure more people than cyclists. Being licenced doesn't stop bad behaviour.

GeekyThings · 04/09/2022 09:07

No such thing as road tax. Also going through a red light incurs a fine, whether you're cycling or driving a car, so filming them and giving it to the police can get them fined.

I also don't drive, the main problem isn't cyclists, it's car drivers.

Goatinthegarden · 04/09/2022 09:08

I’m a cyclist and I agree that cyclists should have to follow rules of the road and be held accountable if they don’t.

I don’t agree that they should pay additional taxes to use the roads, although I do have insurance to cover me if I injure someone or cause damage to their vehicle/property.

mynameiscalypso · 04/09/2022 09:09

I agree in principle but I thought it was always said that it would be too expensive to introduce it? Cyclists who go through red lights or go the wrong way down the road drive me batshit,

BettyCake · 04/09/2022 09:12

Road tax was abolished sometime in the 1930s.
Vehicles on the road now pay VED which is a tax depending on the emissions the vehicle produces. A big truck will pay around £1000 a year for its emissions. Electric cars don't pay any VED as they don't produce any emissions, and neither do cyclists.
Hopefully most cyclists pay general taxes and a portion of that is used to contribute to the roads we all cycle and drive on.

So YABU

savethebeesandthecees · 04/09/2022 09:12

Oh I thought car/lorry drivers paid Road tax? I don't drive but was sure they did. Confused

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cabansunset · 04/09/2022 09:15

Cycling is becoming an extremely popular sport, with more and more people taking to it, I find the dozens of cyclists on the country lanes really hazardous, some can be very reckless and quite arrogant, often putting themselves at risk too.
Leaving their bikes all over the pavement while getting coffees or going to the shop.
I was nearly knocked over by one going at a high speed when walking my dog.
I'm not sure what the solution is though?
They are mostly men, who I'm sure are law abiding careful drivers normally...I don't know what gets into them when they don their spandex cycle gear.

savethebeesandthecees · 04/09/2022 09:17

I could also add those Segway things in as well as people zoom about on them all over the place.

I just want to go to the shops without navigating all sorts of drivers tbh

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luxxlisbon · 04/09/2022 09:20

Cyclists seem to be so focused on cars being a danger to them that they often don’t give a fuck that they are a massive danger to pedestrians. I’m not sure what can be don that is actually workable though but it’s annoying.
I almost got hit this weekend with a baby in a pram by a cyclist ploughing through a red light with a green man. She wasn’t phased q all, not even a half hearted hand up apology. They don’t want junk they should have to stop at red lights which makes crossing dangerous for pedestrians and they don’t stop and zebra crossings. And it boils my blood when they go up on the pavement to avoid a busy crossing!

Getoff · 04/09/2022 09:23

I'm sure that in the last month or so I read that the law has been (or is being) changed so cyclists can receive much more severe sentences for injuring people.

Not the same thing as identifying them, but it seems government is on the case.

I think there was also an article quoting at least one government minister suggesting cyclists should have number plates.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 04/09/2022 09:27

Having a licence won’t stop bad cyclists. In the same way it hasn’t stopped bad drivers. Yabvu to tar all cyclists with the same brush. Yes there are bad ones out there but not all.

Tomikka · 04/09/2022 09:28

savethebeesandthecees · 04/09/2022 09:12

Oh I thought car/lorry drivers paid Road tax? I don't drive but was sure they did. Confused

It’s a pedantic argument to say that road tax doesn’t exist
Its still the generalised name for what is currently vehicle tax, which unless the vehicle had been registered before 2001 is based on emmisions.

www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/print

There is a tax rate for bicycles, which os charged for motorcycles and mopeds. Pedal bicycles are exempt as they don’t have a motor / engine and don’t produce emissions.

Strictly speaking its not unreasonable for you to suggest licencing and taxing cyclists as the Transport Minister recently did so, but it was unreasonable for him to announce that to the media as his ministry had to immediately make a statement that there were no plans to do so and these have been suggested and ruled out in the past

Lemonyfuckit · 04/09/2022 09:28

I agree cyclists shouldn't jump red lights and neither should cars. Both can be fined for this. No such thing as road tax.

Out of interest on the licensing point - would you want children to be required to have licenses to ride a bike?

(I do not think cyclists should be licensed, and happen to think cars cause far far more accidents and substantially more serious ones at that, as well as pollution, and also cyclists and car drivers are not completely separate beings - most cyclists, my DH and I included - have a car too).

ThrallsWife · 04/09/2022 09:29

My biggest issue with this would be how this affects children. Learning to cycle is such a useful skill and many older children rely on their bikes to get to and from school. Would you have them wait until they are 17, like car drivers?

I would rather campaign to change the system.

British roads are not built for cyclists. Look at continental Europe, where cycling in general is far more common, but cyclists have their own path alongside roads, so they don't continuously risk their lives due to impatient drivers.
It also gets them out of the way and makes waiting at a traffic light far less dangerous (which contributes to the number of cyclists who change to pedestrian paths at traffic lights).
Cycle paths here are strange - I have seen them change lane from the pedestrian to the cycle side all of a sudden through bad road marking, I have seen them suddenly end after a few meters and most of the time they simply don't exist.

Where I am from, all children learn basic traffic rules in primary school - who has right of way, what traffic signs mean etc. and then take an exam similar to the car theory and practical test where they gain a "cycle licence". It's not a legal document and they'll never be asked to present it, but it does make them far safer on the roads. So why not throw out something less useful from the primary curriculum and look at road and cycle safety instead? It would help so many down the line with driving, too.

I would, however, make helmets and visible clothing mandatory, as well as what bikes themselves have as standard. Bikes sold over here are extrenely poor quality compared with continental Europe; they are almost just frames and everthing that should be standard - lights (why are they battery operated and not dynamo operated?), a stand, splash guards appear to be optional extras. And why do British bikes only have a hand brake, which is far more unreliable and dangerous to use than a back tread brake?

Compulsory licences are not the way forward, but much can be done to improve conditions for cyclists and make them safer to start with.

mondaytosunday · 04/09/2022 09:30

Are you saying kids too?
How will having a license help?
How would you enforce this?
The government wants more people on bikes, not less (you know, pollution, traffic, physical health...)
Cyclists are already supposed to follow the Highway Code but many don't. If the police can't enforce that how will they be able to do as you suggest?
How much money do you think setting up a system would cost? Far more than any revenue.

watcherintherye · 04/09/2022 09:30

savethebeesandthecees · 04/09/2022 09:12

Oh I thought car/lorry drivers paid Road tax? I don't drive but was sure they did. Confused

All vehicle owners have to tax their vehicles or they can’t drive them on the road. Maybe that’s what you mean? If you Google ‘road tax’ you will be guided to the govt. website section dealing with taxing your vehicle. The posters picking you up on this are being deliberately obtuse.

MsTSwift · 04/09/2022 09:31

Here we go 🙄

Lunar270 · 04/09/2022 09:31

🤦 not this crap again.

OP, do some reading 🙄

Ifailed · 04/09/2022 09:31

The authorities can't even manage to control motorists at the moment ( more than 600,000 unlicensed drivers on the road, 1 million uninsured, over 700,000 with unpaid VED), I'd rather they got that sorted out first.

Lemonyfuckit · 04/09/2022 09:32

@Tomikka when you say taxing cyclists though, what do you mean? (Licensing point aside). As we've established, vehicles pay tax according to emissions, so electric cars and cyclists don't pay VED. Cyclists being people who presumably live somewhere will pay council tax amongst any other taxes so they contribute to maintenance of the roads in exactly the same way that other road users do. What other tax would you have cyclists pay?

SirChenjins · 04/09/2022 09:32

I agree OP - something has to change. Of course having a licence won’t stop bad cycling but having some kind of insurance and ID would make it easier to trace the kind of cyclist you’re talking about and hold them to account. I doubt it will happen though - pedestrians are at the bottom of the pile, it seems.

KosherDill · 04/09/2022 09:33

They should have to be licensed and carry insurance.

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