Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To tell you a bit about Hedgehogs?

273 replies

Halstead · 01/09/2022 19:24

There was a thread very recently, asking for ‘controversial opinions’. It got zapped really quickly.

One posters completely nonsense controversial opinion was that ‘Hedgehogs are flea ridden vermin’

I rescue Hedgehogs. I therefore think I’m being completely reasonable in stating Hedgehogs normally only have fleas when they are suffering from a wider illness. Of the ones we rescue each year, perhaps 1 in 5 have fleas (easily treated but NEVER with cat/dog flea treatment as the active ingredient is lethal to hedgehogs).

I also think I’m not being unreasonable when I tell you Hedgehog fleas are host specific. They aren’t the same type of fleas that invade cats and dogs, and they don’t bite humans, so you don’t need to worry about Hedgehog fleas invading your house and living in your carpets should you come across these critters in your back garden.

Hedgehogs really are in serious trouble at the moment. If they continue to decline at current rates, it’s predicted they’ll be extinct in the UK by 2025.

The current weather really isn’t helping. The hard ground means their main food source (beetles, caterpillars) are very hard to come by. Contrary to popular opinion, Hedgehogs shouldn’t (and don’t generally) eat slugs. If they do, it usually means they’re starving. Slugs often given them illnesses like lung worm and fluke which can be fatal to hogs. It really isn’t a pleasant death, either.

So… AIBU to tell you about about Hogs?... and ask you to pop out water and… if you can… something like kitten biscuit (high protein, low cereal, no milk variety) for our spiney friends? They would very much appreciate it.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
27
FlamingoQueen · 02/09/2022 06:48

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 01/09/2022 23:27

Hey @FlamingoQueen 😍

So, buying a hedgehog house will probably be better, as they are kind of purpose built. I have 3 of the ones in PIC 1. ('igloo' design.) You can buy them online for £25 to £35, but I got 2 of mine at Aldi for a tenner each! Some pet shops may stock them cheaper too, or some other type of hedgehog house. The ones I get last around 3 years before they degrade. I replaced all 3 this year.

I put lots of hay, and ripped up cardboard and dried leaves in them for their bedding. Leave a plastic tub on its side near to the house with extra supplies of these items in so they can take more if they wish. Pop the hedgehog house away from any artificial light, or roads or public pathways. Ideally in your back garden, in or near a hedge. Make sure they can get out of the garden. If you have a solid fence, make sure you carve a small hedgehog sized hole in the bottom so they have a way out.

It's the perfect time to do it now!!! In a few weeks the hedgehogs will be starting to make their 'winter hibernation' homes, and having a ready made home with lots of 'supplies' for their winter bedding will please them no end! Grin

Also, a small flat shallow saucer (like one you use for plant pots to put the water in - in PIC 2,) is good for water, and a small flat bowl for food. A cat proof hedgehog feeder is handy too. You can make one with ordinary housebricks and a slab. (PIC 3.) Have an entrance and an exit, so if one hedgehog is in there, they can shoot out if another one comes in, as they don't always get on, and are quite territorial! I have seen hedgehogs run at other hedgehogs and boot them out of the way to get to a food bowl!

Happy hedgehogging! 🦔 (I know that's probably not a word.) Grin God bless you for thinking about them.

Thank you so much - we do have the odd hedgehog in our garden at night and their house will be between the back of the garage and a natural stone wall so well protected and safe. I will sort it this weekend. Thank you for sharing the information.

TheUsualChaos · 02/09/2022 07:44

Jux · 02/09/2022 00:51

Can hedgehogs climb? I'd love to have hedgehogs but I doubt they can get in or out of our garden which is walled on all sides, the walls extend a few feet underground. I'm afraid that our wildlife haven (ie completely out of control garden) will never see a hog.

No they can't climb. They struggle even with big pavement curbs which is why they often find them selves stuck on a road and can't get out.

Can they get into your garden through a path or is it all completely enclosed?

Zippedydoo123 · 02/09/2022 07:44

How do we know putting food out won't attract rats?

Deerve · 02/09/2022 07:55

I'm on holiday in the countryside and saw a hedgehog on the side of the road. It was early afternoon. Should I have taken it to a ver or something?! I had no idea they shouldn't be out in daylight!

DiscoBadgers · 02/09/2022 07:58

YABVVVU…. not to put photos in your OP.

Hedonism · 02/09/2022 08:13

I love hoggies. We used to have regular visitors, I put out food for them and set the trail cam to watch them. This year I think we've mainly been feeding the local cats and a fox, I've not seen a hedgehog 🙁

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 02/09/2022 08:22

Zippedydoo123 · 02/09/2022 07:44

How do we know putting food out won't attract rats?

Hedgehogs are ok with crossing open spaces in the dark whereas rats prefer skulking in the shrubbery. So you use a hedgehog feeding house and position the entry tunnel so they have to be out in the open to enter It's not perfect but it reduces the risk.

Hoppinggreen · 02/09/2022 08:25

Deerve · 02/09/2022 07:55

I'm on holiday in the countryside and saw a hedgehog on the side of the road. It was early afternoon. Should I have taken it to a ver or something?! I had no idea they shouldn't be out in daylight!

Generally if you see them during the day something isn’t right. The best thing to do is take it home to weigh if possible and if it seems a good weight and generally well (appreciate its hard to tell) feed it and release it back where you found it at dusk. If you are worried any vet should check it for free and also have contacts for local rescues if necessary.
If you aren’t able to do any of that as a minimum move it away from roads and into some cover

Fladdermus · 02/09/2022 08:27

TwoMonthsOff · 01/09/2022 21:26

@BringBackCoffeeCreams
12 ?????? Oh my days

Here's the queue for the feeding house under the rhubarb patch. There were 5 outside, I only got 4 in the picture, and 2 in the box.

To tell you a bit about Hedgehogs?
ChillysWaterBottle · 02/09/2022 08:34

OP are there any converted and well-funded national conservation efforts to revive the hedgehog population or is it mostly being left to individuals?

I'm not sure there's much I can do as I live in a city. I do love hedgehogs though and don't want them to go extinct in the UK!!

SilentHedges · 02/09/2022 13:44

SallyWD · 01/09/2022 22:08

Thank you for that. I had no idea that hedgehogs got fleas or that people didn't like them because of it! I love them. We had one in our garden that looked small so I started putting cat biscuits out. I soon came to realise that the neighbourhood cats were appearing each night and eating it all! I do wonder about this advice to give them cat biscuits as I suspect cats eat most of it!

The solution to stopping cats eating the hedgehog food, is you shouldn't just leave it out, it should be inside a feeding station only the hog can reach. You can buy these or to save money it can be as simple as an upturned box or plastic crate, with a hole cut (12x12cm)only a Hog can get into. There's plenty of tutorials on Google.

Happy hogging.

Magnolia24 · 02/09/2022 16:22

A couple of links which may be helpful to present/future hedgehog carers. 🦔

www.facebook.com/wildthingskeyworth/
www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/

ALongHardWinter · 02/09/2022 17:02

Thanks for this helpful info OP,I love hedgehogs. I didn't know that about slugs though,I honestly thought that they were a big part of a hegdehog's diet! I did know that you shouldn't give them milk though. When I was a kid,chunks of bread soaked in milk was the favourite to put out for hedgehogs. Back then,in the late 60s and early 70s, hedgehogs were far more common then. It's sad that their numbers have declined so much. Unfortunately,I'm not able to put out any food for them as I live in a second floor flat with only a balcony,and I don't think they'd be able to get up there! I do however put leftover cat food from my fussy little devil on the patch of wasteland out the back of the flats,and it always goes overnight. May be foxes or birds that eat it,but I always hope it's hedgehogs!

Halstead · 02/09/2022 17:53

TheUsualChaos · 01/09/2022 20:29

Leave wild areas and log/leaf piles in your garden to provide habitat for beetles which are what hedgehogs need most of in their diet. So many garden now manicured to look spotless but are actually barren of life.

Also make hedgehog highways. Holes in fences so hedgehogs can access your gardens..no point giving them food and water if the can't get in. If you have steps, some bricks along the edge will help them scramble up.

100% good advice!

It's why I can't stand astroturf. Sooo bad for the insects and invertebrates that Hedgehogs depend on for a food supply.

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 17:54

AlwaysLatte · 01/09/2022 20:54

If they continue to decline at current rates, it’s predicted they’ll be extinct in the UK by 2025.
Wow, really??? I had no idea and that's only 3 years away 😭
I really love hedgehogs. We had one visit during the hot weather so we put water and cat biscuits out for it. We had to pick it up and move it away from our patio though as we have a Labrador paying too much attention to it. They're amazing animals. Thanks for this thread 🦔

Yes, they really are in such terrible trouble. 😢

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 17:55

Campervangirl · 01/09/2022 20:54

I've got a fence which is overgrown with ivy to the point that it's leaning over but I can't do anything with it because there's a hedgehog living there, I've been here 25yrs and have always seen hedgehogs coming and going, I have a hedgehog highway (holes cut in the fences) and in 2020 we had 4 baby hedgehogs, we saw the mum during daylight hours and rang the hedgehog sanctuary and sent them a photo and a video and they said she looked pregnant, the excitement nearly finished me off!
We had a couple of weeks of sitting in the garden watching baby hedgehogs who clearly didnt realise they were supposed nocturnal, I'd be sitting in a garden chair and have to lift my leg up to let one of the babies walk past.
We now leave dried chicken flavour cat biscuits and water out.
Love them❤️

There's nothing I don't love about this post!

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 17:58

Handsnotwands · 01/09/2022 21:08

Is there anything we can do to improve the health of our local population?

we have plenty around here, large overgrown gardens etc. but last summer we found three babies, on separate occasions, out in daylight and underweight. We took each to the local wildlife rescue place and all three died 😢 there was clearly something not right.

none of my neighbours seem like the slug pellet types

It's so sad when that happens but you're completely doing the right thing getting babies to rescues ASAP

Our success rate with little ones (140g odd when we find them so actually fairly big - tennis ball size) is only 50% odd. They're often too far gone once found.

Things you can do? Keep getting them to rescues when needed and pop out food and water if you can. If lots of people did this, they would fare so much better!!

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:00

FlamingoQueen · 01/09/2022 21:13

I was going to build a little hedgehog house behind my garage - should I buy a house or can I rustle one together or is it just a daft idea please?
Is now the right time of year to do it?
Thank you

Hedgehogs are notoriously fussy when selecting their living quarters.

We have had up to 5 houses in our garden and they've rejected each one!

Best thing you can do - other than good quality wood houses (not plastic or the thick mesh type - they're not insulated enough) is leave piles of leaves and sticks in your garden - not only do they attract food, the hogs will use the material for nests and you might be surprised - they might build a nest in your garden.

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:03

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 01/09/2022 21:22

We have 2 hedgehog feeding houses in our garden. The hedgehogs turn up around mid May and scoff everything we put out. Most we've had in one go is 12, queuing up waiting for their turn to go in, from around 5.00 pm onwards. But at the beginning of August they all disappear and none come for the rest of the year.

Is this normal hedgehog behaviour or are ours weird? We're in Sweden if that makes a difference, around the same latitude as Aberdeen.

So August would be a bit early to stop eating but that's probably UK

Does the temp drop a lot in Sweden in August? I can't imagine so?

I have to say, peak feeding time for our hogs is April-May when they're coming out of hibernation and need to put on weight fast then Oct-Dec when food is a bit scarce.

Do keep putting food out if you can though - the odd hog that needs it will really appreciate it.

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:05

Athenajm80 · 01/09/2022 21:57

I live in a city, in a terraced house with back to back gardens. My garden is -overgrown- carefully cultivated to be a meadow garden. Do you think I'm likely to be able to get hedgehogs? I'm more than happy to put things out for them but didn't know if there was any point.

As an aside, my mum's favourite animal was the hedgehog. One of my only memories of her was her stopping the car every time we went near a cattle grid so she could check there were no stuck hogs. Weirdly a while after she was buried, the vicar spoke to my grandparents and said they realised there was a hedgehog run where mum's grave is which may get disturbed . Looking back now, I realise that doesn't really make sense. At the time I think I just assumed it was underground but hedgehogs don't tunnel like moles and rabbits do. Dammit, I have repeated that story several times and only just realised there must be some misunderstanding somewhere!

Is there a route in and out of your garden? That's the important bit.

Chances are if there is, and there are hogs in the area you'll be able to attract them.

Pop food and water out every night. In a home made feeder if other animals keep stealing the food (google it if needed). Be prepared to do it for a while - it can take a long time for hogs to find it. Once they've found it they'll likely return regularly. You'll know if it's them eating (dry) food as they leave little crumbs in the bowl.

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:06

Confusedmeanderings · 01/09/2022 22:01

We have a hedgehog that has taken up residence in our kitchen. We have been blaming our young cat for making a mess when eating his kitten biscuits. We walked into the kitchen a couple of nights ago and there was the hedgehog tucking in. It was quite at home and I think has been visiting for a while. Our back door is always open, even at night, so it comes and goes as it chooses!

As he should 🤣🤣

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:06

SallyWD · 01/09/2022 22:08

Thank you for that. I had no idea that hedgehogs got fleas or that people didn't like them because of it! I love them. We had one in our garden that looked small so I started putting cat biscuits out. I soon came to realise that the neighbourhood cats were appearing each night and eating it all! I do wonder about this advice to give them cat biscuits as I suspect cats eat most of it!

Yup they can

It's pretty easy to make a hedgehog feeder that prevents cats getting to the food if preferred. Have a Google :)

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:07

Eaumyword · 01/09/2022 22:22

I felt like a complete voyeur last year when I watched our resident Mr and Mrs Hedgehog at it for an impressive 15 odd mins. Except, Mrs hog kept getting really bored/forgetting what was happening and shuffling forwards.
Mr hog seemed unperturbed and gamely did his best.
The noises were hilarious - very loud and snorty.
Not sure if they finished what they were doing or gave up and went for an all you can eat buffet instead round our garden.
I haven't seen them this year ☹

They aren't the most finessed lovers it has to be said 🤣

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:08

CrystalCoco · 01/09/2022 22:27

hello! Since I came across the last thread on hogs I've been leaving out fresh water daily (which my cat thinks is for him, fair enough - he is the centre of the universe after all!) so just wondering what food I could leave for the hedgehogs that cats wouldn't be interested in - I know for sure if I leave kitten kibble it'll be my feline friend who will swipe it! Thanks.

You can get hedgehog muesli which cats won't be interested in I think.

OP posts:
Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:10

YesitsBess · 01/09/2022 23:05

Ahhhhhh! My favourite hog guru! I haven't RTFT yet but have you put the log your hog info on yet?

Also ours are fighting over a hitherto unsuspected baguette. So there's that.

<waves>

I got very incensed when I saw someone say they were flea ridden vermin and couldn't help starting a new thread!

Good shout!!

For everyone that sees hogs, you can log your sighting here ....

ptes.org/log-your-hog/

OP posts: