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To tell you a bit about Hedgehogs?

273 replies

Halstead · 01/09/2022 19:24

There was a thread very recently, asking for ‘controversial opinions’. It got zapped really quickly.

One posters completely nonsense controversial opinion was that ‘Hedgehogs are flea ridden vermin’

I rescue Hedgehogs. I therefore think I’m being completely reasonable in stating Hedgehogs normally only have fleas when they are suffering from a wider illness. Of the ones we rescue each year, perhaps 1 in 5 have fleas (easily treated but NEVER with cat/dog flea treatment as the active ingredient is lethal to hedgehogs).

I also think I’m not being unreasonable when I tell you Hedgehog fleas are host specific. They aren’t the same type of fleas that invade cats and dogs, and they don’t bite humans, so you don’t need to worry about Hedgehog fleas invading your house and living in your carpets should you come across these critters in your back garden.

Hedgehogs really are in serious trouble at the moment. If they continue to decline at current rates, it’s predicted they’ll be extinct in the UK by 2025.

The current weather really isn’t helping. The hard ground means their main food source (beetles, caterpillars) are very hard to come by. Contrary to popular opinion, Hedgehogs shouldn’t (and don’t generally) eat slugs. If they do, it usually means they’re starving. Slugs often given them illnesses like lung worm and fluke which can be fatal to hogs. It really isn’t a pleasant death, either.

So… AIBU to tell you about about Hogs?... and ask you to pop out water and… if you can… something like kitten biscuit (high protein, low cereal, no milk variety) for our spiney friends? They would very much appreciate it.

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:14

SellFridges · 01/09/2022 23:11

We had a large one in our kitchen one evening a few weeks ago when it was warm. We had no idea where it had come from, and we have a cat who we wanted to protect it from, so DH took it to a hedgerow down the street. We’ve been worried we did the wrong thing, but we couldn’t leave it in the garden with so many cats and foxes around. Any advice if it happens again?

First - don't worry at all about what you did. Hedgies walk up to 2-3 miles a night so popping it down the road is not a drama at all.

Second - don't worry about protecting them from cats. Hedgehogs do not give a flying f**k about cats. It's hilarious (we have cats and they meet the hog intake each year. Hogs could not care less. Cats very quickly learn to keep a respectful distance)

Foxes? Wouldn't worry too much either. Foxes can predate hedgehogs but it's very rare.

If you see your hog again? Pop him/her in the back garden with some food and water and prepare to develop an obsession over them as they visit you each night!!

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:15

Crankley · 01/09/2022 23:52

I cater for the hedgehogs who visit my garden. What do I get in return - hedghog poo on my patio which the flies swarm to like it's nectar lol.

Yeah - t'id a problem to be sure!

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:15

Moonchild18 · 02/09/2022 00:06

Ah thank you for this! We've actually just seen our very first hedgehog here tonight, we've lived in this house for 15 years and have never come across one. I actually went inside to find it something to eat and drink and grab my daughter to show her but it had gone by the time we'd gone back out. I shall leave some of the food/drink out you've mentioned incase it comes back this way.

It's likely to pretty quickly! Good luck.

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:16

Jux · 02/09/2022 00:51

Can hedgehogs climb? I'd love to have hedgehogs but I doubt they can get in or out of our garden which is walled on all sides, the walls extend a few feet underground. I'm afraid that our wildlife haven (ie completely out of control garden) will never see a hog.

They are complete escape artists but a garden wall (unless about 6 inches high) will probably stump them.

Some people put hedgehog highways in - a cd sized hole in their fences/walls. This is plenty big enough for them to get in and out.

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:17

Booklover3 · 02/09/2022 01:24

Think one or two live in the bush at the end of my garden. I caught my dog following one around the garden several nights now. She was literally just watching it as it went about it’s business. It looked quite a good size and healthy (as far as I could tell). We’ve always had hedgehogs as far as I can remember. Sometimes they make quite a racket in the garden actually lol.

Ive literally been following my dog around the garden at night now and restricting her access. She seems like she wants to be friends with it but you never know do you? Also worried the hedgehog could make her poorly some how?

Id also be quite upset if the dog did hurt it to be honest. Lovely little things.

Don't worry too much - rare for a dog to be able to hurt a hedgehog and nothing the hog can do/pass to the dog to hurt it.

I say let them meet (under observation!)

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:18

Zippedydoo123 · 02/09/2022 07:44

How do we know putting food out won't attract rats?

It might.

Doesn't where I live - worth a try.

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:19

Deerve · 02/09/2022 07:55

I'm on holiday in the countryside and saw a hedgehog on the side of the road. It was early afternoon. Should I have taken it to a ver or something?! I had no idea they shouldn't be out in daylight!

It depends on how it was moving.

Purposeful, rapid movement? Like to be a nesting mother and fine to be out in the day. Meandering or slow moving? Likely to be in trouble and in need of help.

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:20

DiscoBadgers · 02/09/2022 07:58

YABVVVU…. not to put photos in your OP.

Outrageous! Here are 3 of our rescues from last year at different weights. All released successfully this spring.

To tell you a bit about Hedgehogs?
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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:21

ChillysWaterBottle · 02/09/2022 08:34

OP are there any converted and well-funded national conservation efforts to revive the hedgehog population or is it mostly being left to individuals?

I'm not sure there's much I can do as I live in a city. I do love hedgehogs though and don't want them to go extinct in the UK!!

Thanks so much for caring!

Have a look here

ptes.org/campaigns/hedgehogs/

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:22

ALongHardWinter · 02/09/2022 17:02

Thanks for this helpful info OP,I love hedgehogs. I didn't know that about slugs though,I honestly thought that they were a big part of a hegdehog's diet! I did know that you shouldn't give them milk though. When I was a kid,chunks of bread soaked in milk was the favourite to put out for hedgehogs. Back then,in the late 60s and early 70s, hedgehogs were far more common then. It's sad that their numbers have declined so much. Unfortunately,I'm not able to put out any food for them as I live in a second floor flat with only a balcony,and I don't think they'd be able to get up there! I do however put leftover cat food from my fussy little devil on the patch of wasteland out the back of the flats,and it always goes overnight. May be foxes or birds that eat it,but I always hope it's hedgehogs!

Yes, bel read and milk was the thing until quite recently.

Thanks for caring and putting food out. Something will be benefitting!! 🦔

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TwoMonthsOff · 02/09/2022 19:23

@Fladdermus
having had a terrible day thank you for making me genuinely laugh - that’s beautiful 🥰

HaveGogglesWillTravel · 02/09/2022 19:33

This thread is great, thanks for all the information OP. Another dog related question... I'd like to make a feeding station to put out food & water but DH thinks hedgies will avoid our garden as we have a dog and there's lots in our road. Would this deter a hedgehog from coming into our garden? How big does a hole in the fence need to be for a curious hog to come adventuring?

HaveGogglesWillTravel · 02/09/2022 19:36

Oh and also foxes. We have foxes every night. Would that deter hedgehogs from visiting at all? Thanks

Halstead · 02/09/2022 19:49

HaveGogglesWillTravel · 02/09/2022 19:33

This thread is great, thanks for all the information OP. Another dog related question... I'd like to make a feeding station to put out food & water but DH thinks hedgies will avoid our garden as we have a dog and there's lots in our road. Would this deter a hedgehog from coming into our garden? How big does a hole in the fence need to be for a curious hog to come adventuring?

I don’t think Hedgies will avoid an area due to dogs… they’re not natural predators generally.

Foxes, on occasion, have predated hogs but not often. If you live in a badger free zone, you should be fine.

Hole needs to be CD sized.

Give it a go… you may be surprised!

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Fladdermus · 02/09/2022 19:56

Halstead · 02/09/2022 18:03

So August would be a bit early to stop eating but that's probably UK

Does the temp drop a lot in Sweden in August? I can't imagine so?

I have to say, peak feeding time for our hogs is April-May when they're coming out of hibernation and need to put on weight fast then Oct-Dec when food is a bit scarce.

Do keep putting food out if you can though - the odd hog that needs it will really appreciate it.

It's very warm during the day but drops to around 10C at night.

Fladdermus · 02/09/2022 20:02

Fladdermus/BringBackCoffeeCreams are both me as I can't work out how to update my username on my phone.

Snooks1971 · 02/09/2022 20:08

Haven’t had a chance to read this whole thread yet but I will!

We have a nightly visiting hog named Johnny Snufflebottom, he has fresh water and meaty kitten cat biscuits replenished daily

God he’s loud!

*disclaimer - no idea if he is he/she

TwoMonthsOff · 02/09/2022 20:12

@Snooks1971
it doesn’t matter, the fact you have named him /her is enough 😂

Halstead · 02/09/2022 20:19

Fladdermus · 02/09/2022 19:56

It's very warm during the day but drops to around 10C at night.

That’s still plenty warm enough

I would imagine your hogs stop visiting so often as there is lots of food around so they don’t need to so much. Hopefully, anyway!

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Halstead · 02/09/2022 20:22

Snooks1971 · 02/09/2022 20:08

Haven’t had a chance to read this whole thread yet but I will!

We have a nightly visiting hog named Johnny Snufflebottom, he has fresh water and meaty kitten cat biscuits replenished daily

God he’s loud!

*disclaimer - no idea if he is he/she

Great name.

Among our fosters we’ve had

Pinelope
Quill.I.Am
Albert Einspine
Sonic (obviously)
Splat (because they do this funny thing when they get too warm which is lie on their stomachs with their arms and legs splayed)
Bruce Quillis
Quillary Rodham Clinton

the list is endless 🤣🤣

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Snooks1971 · 02/09/2022 20:23

TwoMonthsOff · 02/09/2022 20:12

@Snooks1971
it doesn’t matter, the fact you have named him /her is enough 😂

I went to Asda today and DH actually wrote on the shopping list :

Cat biscuits for Johnny 😂

TwoMonthsOff · 02/09/2022 20:31

@Snooks1971
brilliant 😂
@Halstead
inspired names- Quill.I.Am - the winner 😭

TwoMonthsOff · 02/09/2022 20:33

@Halstead
have you had a ‘Dave Spikey’ yet?
if not promise me you will soon 🥰

Halstead · 02/09/2022 20:36

TwoMonthsOff · 02/09/2022 20:33

@Halstead
have you had a ‘Dave Spikey’ yet?
if not promise me you will soon 🥰

First male we get this year.. you’re on!

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PrawnofthePatriarchy · 02/09/2022 20:44

We have hedgehogs in our garden. Thank you so much for telling me how to help them.

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