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Make me feel better about staying in London please!

139 replies

Sudbury · 31/08/2022 17:40

Partner and I are going to move out of our London flat as we want more space / garden for the toddler and baby.

I’m desperate to use this as a way to leave London and head for a smaller city, think: a Cathedral city so somewhere with culture, history and an identity - basically York or Norwich, but probably York. Somewhere we can get a slightly bigger cheaper house, have a calmer pace of life, make new friends, grow our own veg and not raise children who may be entitled London brats.

Reasons being I find London life annoying is I’ve been here 13 years and it’s increasingly fast paced, crowded, polluted and competitive. Don’t like being so far away from the countryside, living in the same city as friends but it taking an hour and a half to get to them because it’s so bloody big, no real sense of community, the general feeling of stress and busyness that seems to scent the London air.

Partner is not keen to leave, at least not now and gives very sensible reasons. We’d have to find new jobs / retrain as we both have London centric careers and while we do want to retrain now is probably too soon. We don’t have friends of family outside London in the places we’d like to move and raising young kids with no friends or family close by (which would be the case if we moved) is bloody hard. Other places may be less open / accepting of people who don’t 100% fit the straight, white, Christian mould.

I know in my heart that partner is right, and if they also wanted to leave I’d be voicing some of their reasons for staying. But I still get a horrible pang of longing whenever we leave London, or conversely view a house In London that costs double what a bigger house would cost elsewhere.

Help! Convince me that London is worth staying in and that the dream life doesn’t lie in York

OP posts:
hellokittyface · 31/08/2022 22:32

York is a nice city but it would take some getting used to after London. It can be a bit "villagey" as it is not a very transient or diverse city.

It can be hard to make friends in York but as you have kids I suppose there will be opportunities through their activities to meet people who are looking for friends.

York is cheaper than London but it is still expensive compared to other places in Yorkshire.

Personally I would move to a suburban place near London so that you have the best of both.

Sudbury · 31/08/2022 22:35

NewDiary · 31/08/2022 22:14

But it doesn’t make any sense- if you want your kids to go to state schools and know poor children, we have both of those in London. It’s not a reason to move to Yorkshire. (Not offering a view on what you should do btw- I’m also a Yorkshire-born woman living in London and I love both places. Just don’t like stereotypes.)

yes I wasn’t saying I wanted to move to Yorkshire so my kids would “know poor people”. There are other reasons why I’d like to move back to Yorkshire. The poster I was replying to had more or less said, how your kids turn out is entirely down to you, not where they live. My response was an (exaggerated to extremes) example of how raising the same kids with the same parents in different environments would affect them, and that how kids turn out is down to a mix of parenting and external influences. It was a complete sidebar to my main post. Not related to reasons to go to Yorkshire or not

OP posts:
Sudbury · 31/08/2022 22:39

Yubgftr · 31/08/2022 22:19

This

Yea as I’ve said up thread, I grew up in Yorkshire and the Midlands, and as an adult have lived in London, Mumbai, Nairobi and a few other places.

If you honestly think that there aren’t places in the UK where it is harder to live if you don’t look / worship / love like the majority do, then I’d suggest that it’s you who has probably never left Islington

OP posts:
FiddlefigOnTheRoof · 31/08/2022 22:40

I love London, albeit my kids are a bit bratty. I love all the different food, I love my friends (both old and new) and family nearby. I love the countryside walks 15 min drive, and the Covent Garden restaurant date nights with my husband. I love the ethnic diversity and feel a bit othered in more rural places. Am in SE London.

FKATondelayo · 31/08/2022 22:49

My kids too, Fiddle.

London kids often DO have an air of self-confidence and sophistication. I suppose it compensates for the stabbings and air pollution.

OGLittlePickerWithTheMassiveKnickers · 31/08/2022 22:55

Growing veg is boring as shit. But maybe get an allotment if you love it so much.

fancytulip · 31/08/2022 23:20

Who is this white straight Christian mafia you're talking about and what makes you think those characteristics makes someone automatically intolerant or unable to mix with entitled London brats?

terfenerf · 31/08/2022 23:38

yawn yawn yawn
est city on earth why would anyone leave?
brattier the better i say.

fivehundred · 31/08/2022 23:45

A lot of people who've moved out of London are super-defensive about their decision. Secretly they regret it and they are dead inside.

Luredbyapomegranate · 31/08/2022 23:49

There are twats everywhere OP, something that is well illustrated any Saturday night in the centre of York 😁. I don’t know Norwich, but I do know it’s an arse to get to from anywhere else.

I think you are being a wee bit bratty teen Op, everywhere has its up and downsides. I know you’ve been torn a new one for suggesting that london kids are more bratty than others (rightly), and for suggesting everyone outside the capital is white and straight (again, rightly) but it is equally daft to suggest London doesn’t have a sense of community. The entire place is made up of little communities. South East is quite green, affordable and with lots of communities, so start there and go and find one. It’s rare and lucky that life just falls into place, whether you are in Swansea or Streatham, mostly you have to make it work,

Donehere · 01/09/2022 02:02

@Okeydoky also keen to hear where you live!

VirginiaWool · 01/09/2022 02:32

Tbh York is pretty insular and chavvy. Extremely white. And a popular hen and stag destination. It's ancient and pretty, but that's kind of a backdrop to the Blackpool type behaviour. Really the main industry is booze tourism.

Stay in London. London is a globally important city. There is loads of stuff to do. You and your kids can reinvent yourselves a hundred times over there. It's a nice place.

I get that it can grind you down. But really the alternative is being surrounded by people who think that saying "ow much" counts for a personality or, if they're middle class, that varying their order at the supposed chi chi bakery is decadently daring.

Fuck those guys. Stay in London.

VioletToes · 01/09/2022 02:39

I felt this about London. It was just getting too busy for me. We left the UK and now live an hour outside another big city as dh career is also very City-centric.

It's drives me crackers having to be even this close to a city, but any longer commute for dh 3 times a week would be unfair.

I think when you're ready to move, as you seem to be, it's hard to see the positives of staying.

Personally, I'd work harder on changing your DP view 🙂

MarthaChuzzlewhit · 01/09/2022 02:40

Felixfriend · 31/08/2022 17:47

“Other places may be less open / accepting of people who don’t 100% fit the straight, white, Christian mould” 🤨🤨🤨

Have you ever even left London? I think it’s time you did tbh. Your sweeping statements about both the capital and the rest of the country are ridiculous. Time to broaden your horizons.

Unfortunately I think OP is right… some of the smaller places in particular.

MarthaChuzzlewhit · 01/09/2022 02:42

the alternative is being surrounded by people who think that saying "ow much" counts for a personality
😆
Now that is a bit unfair; some great characters flourish far outside of London.

MarthaChuzzlewhit · 01/09/2022 02:44

One of the nicest things for me about leaving London was realising that it actually is OK to look someone in the eye.

That and being able to look up from the centre of my (small) city and see the green hills all around it.

VirginiaWool · 01/09/2022 02:44

Come on; you know I'm right.
It's tedious.

Don't voluntarily submit yourself to bores, OP.

VirginiaWool · 01/09/2022 02:46

One of the nicest things for me about leaving London was realising that it actually is OK to look someone in the eye.

... in order to stop focusing on their sixth toe, maybe.

MarthaChuzzlewhit · 01/09/2022 02:49

SO224350 · 31/08/2022 18:50

They refused to serve you in a pub, yeah right

Isn't it illegal? The Equality Act 2010 says you mustn’t be discriminated against because of your race. Discrimination which is against the Equality Act is unlawful. If you’ve experienced unlawful discrimination, you may be able to do something about it.

MarthaChuzzlewhit · 01/09/2022 02:50

VirginiaWool · 01/09/2022 02:46

One of the nicest things for me about leaving London was realising that it actually is OK to look someone in the eye.

... in order to stop focusing on their sixth toe, maybe.

Funny.

Marchitectmummy · 01/09/2022 03:56

Sudbury · 31/08/2022 22:39

Yea as I’ve said up thread, I grew up in Yorkshire and the Midlands, and as an adult have lived in London, Mumbai, Nairobi and a few other places.

If you honestly think that there aren’t places in the UK where it is harder to live if you don’t look / worship / love like the majority do, then I’d suggest that it’s you who has probably never left Islington

If you really believe that then haven't you already found your reasons to stay in London? Some of your views are sadly prejudiced both of London families who are comfortable and people outside of London. You can find people with similar views, values and interests anywhere in the world so stop looking for similarities in spirious things.

Your lifestyle will depend on how well London works for you as a family. We are in London with our 5 childre. It works for us as we use the positive things London offers, we travel around London with our girls trying new places to eat, try new emersive experiences , regularly go to the theatre, museums and galleries. And we do everything as a family so our girls benefit from the same gains.

BlackberrySky · 01/09/2022 04:18

You lost me at "entitled London brats". Maybe it's you, not London that's the problem.

WetWashing22 · 01/09/2022 04:42

Urgh. Please do leave.

HeartofTeFiti · 01/09/2022 04:50

@MarthaChuzzlewhit maybe so but the country is made up of so many communities and change can happen rapidly. Not all traditional white areas are the same as they once were.

OP I am desperately curious to know which pub in Bucks wouldn't serve you because you are an interracial couple. That is absolutely appalling :-(

LBFseBrom · 01/09/2022 05:19

FiddlefigOnTheRoof · 31/08/2022 22:40

I love London, albeit my kids are a bit bratty. I love all the different food, I love my friends (both old and new) and family nearby. I love the countryside walks 15 min drive, and the Covent Garden restaurant date nights with my husband. I love the ethnic diversity and feel a bit othered in more rural places. Am in SE London.

So am I. It's great and very easy to get into town if you work there or for days/nights out. There is plenty of green space too, very pretty.