To rat out these CFs

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Two family members, who I used to think were very nice, gleefully told me two years ago that they have been moving back their fence every year and have been stealing land.

But it's ok because their neighbours are elderly and haven't noticed. 😱

They live in the country side and you cannot see the neighbours house from their garden. Their neighbours land covers all three sides of their house and is a wooded area. They have tripled the size of their garden.

They were smug when they mentioned that if they used the land for a certain number of years the rightful owners couldn't take it back due to some law.

After this conversation I can't see them in the same light and now every time I meet up with them I realise they just aren't good people. I also feel so guilty knowing this and not doing anything.

I also know that either at the end of this year or some point next year the time will have passed that the neighbours can't do anything.

I am considering sending them an anonymous letter. Should I? I could find them on google maps. A big part of me doesn't want to get involved then another just wants justice to prevail.

I also live abroad. So any letter sent from my country, should the neighbours show it to said family members, would obviously be from me. I don't want this family to know how I feel as it would cause chaos with the rest of the family. I would rather make it anonymous. How would I do this? Would this give me bad or good karma?

YANBU : Write the letter
YaBU : Don't get involved

I always want to ask people that

Nothing worse?
So, not murder then? Or rape? Child abuse? Beating someone? Stabbing a kid for their phone?

'snitching' is the worst thing a person can do? Honestly?

Funnily enough, you don't often get a reply and when you do it tends to be aggressive. 🤷

This is a really ill thought out and insulting post. It might have escaped your notice but the recent tragic murder of nine year old Olivia Pratt Korbel, resulted in a local Liverpool community coming together and co-operating fully with the police to try to find her killer. I live quite close to where it happened and I can assure you being considered a ‘snitch’ is the last thing on anyone’s mind - the only thing people care about is justice for Olivia and her family.

If in Scotland try osg.scot to find full address x

Yes,do that. Contact the council and the police.

Yup , so if someone steals land from your vulnerable and elderly relatives you would be happy with that ?
What is your neighbour fences off half of your garden ?
You can not agree with blatant theft - would you watch a pick pocket or your neighbours get burgled and not say anything ?

I’m wondering if you should approach it from a different angle. The neighbours’ garden may be so big as to make the land grab noticeable, but your relatives’ won’t be. They will have added significantly to their garden - more than will be illustrated on the deeds to their own property, and maybe a better option would be to bring that to the attention of the appropriate authorities, so they’re forced to explain how it came about.

🤣🤣🤣

I'm very sorry to hear you're related to someone so utterly abhorrent they'd actually think that way.

I think you should follow some of the great advice here and report.

Sorry, that’s should have read ‘so big as to make the land grab ‘unnoticeable’.

The law of adverse possession has recently changed so they cannot permanently claim this land. You do not need to stoop to Moonpig, anonymous accounts or letters because the law now protects landowners from exactly this scenario.

YANBU. But I wouldn't send a letter. I would report it to the council.
I wouldn't want to upset elderly people with an anonymous letter or if they approached your relatives risk them being bamboozled by them.
Ring the council, it's possibly planning dept that you need and let it roll.
The council will never reveal who told them.

This 100% - you could setup a fake email account and use a fake name and email the council directly, they might say they can't do anything as it's a civil matter but I'd push it as a concern for vulnerable people

What they are doing is terrible, just because the owners are elderly. Hope you find a way to let them know!

If it’s registered land, when they attempt an adverse possession claim the Land Registry will contact the registered owners to make them aware of the claim. A surveyor will inspect the boundary and consider evidence from both sides. It will be pretty obvious what’s happened.

It’s 12 years from each fence move too, so the clock resets every time they move the boundary, unless they intend to make multiple claims over consecutive years.

The neighbour is not as smart as they think. I’d leave it, on the basis the Land Registry will investigate before they register any change of ownership.

Puerile

Oh and your neighbour will have to give Statutory Declaration/Statement of Truth to support a claim that they mistakenly but reasonably believed the land was theirs. Hopefully would come to their senses before risking 10 years in prison and/or an unlimited fine under the 2006 Fraud Act for a false statement.

If you really do want to help, register with the property alert service at the Land Registry, which is free. If any application is made against the property, either by the CFs or a potential purchaser, then you’ll be notified and can decide then whether to contact the couple. Possibly a better option than Moonpig

Oh my, I've wondered how you got on!

OP, whether or not your parents adore them, it's wrong. It's doesn't matter if you grass, it not worse. It's very Simple's black and white wrong.

Contact them, council and land registry that their neighbours are taking advantage of a vvvv vulnerable couple... How many years. Is it till land becomes these vvvv nasty people..20 years or more or less

Grassing ! Are you 12 ?

I’d let them know. Send them a card using moonpig and write it in there. That way they won’t know who or where it came from

do people still use mottos in this day and age? Is it on like a family crest or some shit?

But they did come forward - the local community responded to the police appeal, some with footage from Ring doorbells and CCTV cameras in the hope it would help.

Seriously? You must be from dodgy stock.

Oh for god’s sake stop suggesting Moonpig. I work for them on CS. People like you lot make our lives so difficult and put our jobs in jeopardy. Have a thought for us poor lowly lot having to deal with shite like this, please.

Nothing worse than a snitch.

grassing is far worse

Yeah that's why we aren't finding out who killed Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

If you can't work put which house they've stolen from, write to all 3, being clear that you've written to all 3 because you're not sure and they can sort that out between them.