To wonder how people will financially survive?

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To think that many people are struggling already. Food price rises, gas and electric costs. The general cost of living due to inflation from either brexit since the pandemic and Ukraine war. But come on some people were struggling before any of those factors. Financially people will be pushed to breaking christmas will be off the cards general life will stagnate no meals out leisure activities cinema socialising new clothes treat foods. The threat of blackouts and wondering how we will pay bills to keep warm or keep a house running. Never mind buying food the price of it plus the large gaps on shelves. Winter will be miserable. It's becoming impossible to live in this country.

You genuinely don’t know?

They have far more of their electricity coming from nuclear power, and the state has just mandated EDF to run at a massive loss to subsidize people.

the state has just mandated EDF to run at a massive loss to subsidize people

To be subsidised by EDF customers here. If I were one of those customers I’d be swapping right now.

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@Noname99 i guess my point was it’s a
childish oversimplification to say that by using less energy, by making do and mend we will push Putin back and make it to the promised land. People surviving isn’t actually helping some big massive European effort, it’s just people surviving. Your focus on going back 50-100 years as though progress isn’t brilliant! Would be more jobs if woman gave up work and they could wash clothes by hand and cook from scratch - would that make sense?! No so why does sitting in the cold and dark and eating 1 meal a day make sense?

I guess you can do that when you control it @StillGoingStrongToday

I know which bills I'd rather be paying.

I bet that approach works out cheaper for the country too.

Thank you.

I don't have or use a dishwasher or tumble drier!

Clearly it's slowly dawning on me that I'm probably going to be one of those that die as I don't have magazine subscriptions to cancel, or a dishwasher! or live off a £100K salary.

Clearly the ones worried about the cost of living crisis (oh, it's such a bore, are all threads going to be like this?) are obviously the ones already impoverished. Maybe mums net could set up a new section called 'Poor Net.'

People have unrealistic expectations. Living standards, even for people on the dole or state pension, are far higher than they were in the 1950s, 60s, 70s. There is no choice between heating and eating. It's eating. When I was a child we could not afford heating. We couldn't afford a duvet, and had mum's coat on top of the blankets. Ice would form on the inside of the windows overnight from the water vapour in out breath. No car, no phone, rented TV. Second hand shoes, or clothes. The hyperbolic language about being able to "survive" and it being "impossible to live", or going back to the 1920s or 1930s is ridiculous. People need to stop complaining and get a sense of proportion.

Despite the fact that most of us won't be able to afford food or heating - I can see other problem too - mental health issues. How long you can carry on if you need to count every single pence despite the fact you both working full time and have only 1 or 2 kids? This country still need cleaners, kitchen porters, etc - some people are on minimum wage and they won't become directors or managers. My son goes to music lessons for toddlers, once a week £7. It was 170 (!!!) kids on waiting list, yesterday teacher called us asking if we have any friends who would like to join that group - almost all cancelled....

Most of it is sensationalist nonsense used to whip each other up into a state of mass panic. Yeah it might be a bit tough but the vast majority of people will muddle through and be fine.

If our government had spent the last decade investing in renewables to make us self sufficient in energy we wouldn't be paying through the nose for French electricity would we?

We can't blame the French for our own government's failings.

I think we’ve got quite a long way to go before anybody’s gonna start off in 2022 you look at the state of the children in these conditions and have painfully thin they are. The starting point is very different in the UK no matter where we get to

Personally I am going to be an optimist. The poor, disabled and the elderly, are already in line for extra payments. Many have already had the £150 off council tax, and all of us will get £400 off energy (that's at least month's worth of energy). The government WILL give extra to those who need it, and the energy companies have always, and will continue, to provide help and monetary assistance in the form of warm home discounts and the like. British Gas have committed to extra, and I am sure other energy providers will follow suit.

I think more people, particularly the elderly, are more likely to die of cold, because the media have frightened them so much they will not put the heating on, when in no way will they be without the means to do so.

Did Boris actually say that I’m in I’m not a fan of his by any stretch of the imagination but I find it fairly hard to believe that anybody actually said that

At the moment the French are buying electricity from us!

@Carpy88999 Don't we care about the people who won't?

According to Cummings, yes he said it. It sounds all too likely to me, especially given his comment yesterday about being grateful we’re not paying in blood like the Ukraine. He’s given to that sort of crassness as a quick perusal of his journalism reveals.

I don’t think some people will survive.
Vulnerable people are going to be cold, hungry and damp in flu season.

Not sure I would believe anyone who is out for a bit of revenge.

I would take it with a pinch of salt.

I'm not looking forward to my children growing up like that!

Surely having gone through it you wouldn't want other children to suffer the same?

We don't have £400 a month's worth of wriggle room, and that's what we will need just to cover the rise in energy costs. Never mind everything else.

How tiresome for those of you who aren't concerned for their own situations, or anyone else's.

Oh Liz is going to be SOOOO much fun.

She's got form for gaffs just as good.

Can't wait for that party to start.

I wonder when we will start to get comments about how posters miss Johnson (like we had people missing May)...

But they are not suffering the same.

You are confusing billions with millions here. The energy crisis prevention cost was quoted as 100 billion. Ukraine got 0.05% of that amount, or less than £1 per head from the UK population.