To wonder how people will financially survive?

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To think that many people are struggling already. Food price rises, gas and electric costs. The general cost of living due to inflation from either brexit since the pandemic and Ukraine war. But come on some people were struggling before any of those factors. Financially people will be pushed to breaking christmas will be off the cards general life will stagnate no meals out leisure activities cinema socialising new clothes treat foods. The threat of blackouts and wondering how we will pay bills to keep warm or keep a house running. Never mind buying food the price of it plus the large gaps on shelves. Winter will be miserable. It's becoming impossible to live in this country.

@RunningSME

16 hrs of paid work?
Many do lots of unpaid , caring work

Many could do more if mental health support was better

SIL is just too disabled to do more

Exactly.

People on minimum wage should be able to heat and feed themselves.

Everyone bring there own drinks and share the food expense.

just one house to heat

nrxt we will end up with communal ovens to cook

And they can 🙄

Some of my Friends can't work so only have one wage coming in. We both work in decent jobs (not rolling in it) but I still want to socialise with them so we are happy to do it this way. Also with everything going up I begrudge paying the prices. We will support our local pub though as it would be a massive shame if that closed.

Why is it a fallacy?
All people will have more money if they work more extended hrs.
16hr/per/week@£9.50=£152
32/per/week@£9.50=£304
The fallacy is actually that life is free, it isn't, it has never been.
People have an idea of what they think life should be like, well unfortunately there is a mismatch between reality and the concept of the ideal.

All people will have more money if they work more extended hrs

That just isn’t true. Most salaried positions don’t pay overtime, it doesn’t matter if you work 37 hours or 70, you’re still paid the same.

Why are they ? At what point in history has anyone doing the minimum ever achieved that?

In actual fact I have never chased progression in my life. I work to live, not live to work, have never wanted a career and if I won a large sum of money would never work again. However, I have always managed to live the life I want - so others should also be able to achieve that. I work in admin., but at various times have done manual work - and I can tell you now that I worked far harder than when I was in an office doing bugger all at times. Why should the person doing the hard work not earn as much as the person sitting in the office clock watching?

What sort of a person are you, that you think just because someone doesn't want to progress in their work that they shouldn't have a decent life?

I could take on another job. I already work full time, have a DD with some disability and a DH with a disability, plus a DS.

That just isn’t true. Most salaried positions don’t pay overtime, it doesn’t matter if you work 37 hours or 70, you’re still paid the same.

Well said. There seem to be some very naive people on this thread!

But then equally you could do your 37 hours of salaried work and then go and do another 20 on an hourly rate couldn’t you ?

I know of several people who are working from home at the moment and actually doing fuck all all day then going to work elsewhere in the evenings because they’ve had a relaxing day.

I don’t understand why people are so adverse to finding solutions you seem to just want to put an obstacle in every way and yet Winge about the fact that apparently you’re going to die in the cold, not you personally but others.

Because we live in one of the richest countries in the world

Why should some people have more than they need and all the choices that brings and others have to sell their souls to keep alive knowing that their efforts are putting yet more power and wealth into those hands that don't need it

What sort of person are you that thinks you can sit on your arse and enjoy the fruits of my labour because nothings for free somebody else is going to pay for your “decent life”
The reality of it is I pay very little tax so you don’t wind me up particularly on the basis that I don’t really pay for you.
But as you quite rightly said somebody else who is putting in 10 to 12 hours a day of manual labour PAYE is paying for you to sit around all day, you must be very proud.

@RunningSME 🙄(I actually really hate this emoji but it fits).

Are you just on a wind up now?

No I’m not

@RunningSME You being on the wind-up would be more understandable. If these really are your views, then JFC.

What sort of person are you that thinks you can sit on your arse and enjoy the fruits of my labour because nothings for free somebody else is going to pay for your “decent life”
The reality of it is I pay very little tax so you don’t wind me up particularly on the basis that I don’t really pay for you.
But as you quite rightly said somebody else who is putting in 10 to 12 hours a day of manual labour PAYE is paying for you to sit around all day, you must be very proud.

Struggling to see how someone working hard is paying for me to sit in an office doing bugger all - surely my EMPLOYER is paying me to do that??? Since when did the tax one worker pays subsidise the work of someone in a completely different business? I sit around doing nothing a lot of the time as there is nothing much to do - how is that so difficult to understand? You don't seem to be very bright tbh.

However, you are quite correct in that you don't really pay for me - I don't even live in the UK.

My views that people could help themselves more are unacceptable are they?

As I repeatedly stated we have the lowest unemployment since World War II we are in desperate need of staff.

There’s been no point in history where a single person could have by any definition of decent life doing the bare minimum.
given that my views are generally accepted by society and yours are on the fringe it would appear that most people would agree with me and therefore your views are unacceptable.

Well if you don’t work in the UK you probably don’t understand our tax system but it’s okay I wouldn’t expect you to and therefore I wouldn’t call you thick as a result.
In the UK the taxes one person pays do indeed subsidise the work of people in a completely unrelated field via a wonderful system we have called universal credits.

given that you don’t have any understanding of the UK system probably best to keep your nose out from this point onwards, you have nothing valuable to add.

I pay tax. It buys me civilisation.

I say again. Why is anyone entertaining such obvious nonsense?

Some people are on a permanent "holiday from reality". Leave them to it.

I have never seen this put so succinctly before, but you are right.

The key thing is getting the Government of the day to spend the tax take wisely, without diverting it to their mates.

If only it did

Well if you don’t work in the UK you probably don’t understand our tax system but it’s okay I wouldn’t expect you to and therefore I wouldn’t call you thick as a result.
In the UK the taxes one person pays do indeed subsidise the work of people in a completely unrelated field via a wonderful system we have called universal credits.
given that you don’t have any understanding of the UK system probably best to keep your nose out from this point onwards, you have nothing valuable to add.

I was on the understanding that universal credit was paid to people who are on low income or out of work - is that not correct? Therefore even if I lived in the UK I wouldn't be getting it as I HAVE A FULL TIME JOB. When did I ever say I was on a low income or out of work? I didn't - what I said was how is it fair that I have a cruisy job and yet get paid more than someone who works very hard? You seem to either have me mixed up with someone else, or you are incapable of understanding basic English.

If people in the UK who work full time are in receipt of universal credit then you have a pretty sad state of affairs there.

There’s been no point in history where a single person could have by any definition of decent life doing the bare minimum.

You keep repeating this, so I will repeat - I have a decent life, with a full time job, by doing the bare minimum of work (because my job is not busy), and without ever once trying to "progress" in my work. If people can't have a decent life in the UK without working themselves to the bone I don't consider that something to be proud of.