To wonder how people will financially survive?

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To think that many people are struggling already. Food price rises, gas and electric costs. The general cost of living due to inflation from either brexit since the pandemic and Ukraine war. But come on some people were struggling before any of those factors. Financially people will be pushed to breaking christmas will be off the cards general life will stagnate no meals out leisure activities cinema socialising new clothes treat foods. The threat of blackouts and wondering how we will pay bills to keep warm or keep a house running. Never mind buying food the price of it plus the large gaps on shelves. Winter will be miserable. It's becoming impossible to live in this country.

Where's that figure from please? And who gets it?

This doesn’t sound correct

Everyine is getting £400 off bills

So presumably since it's being paid to me, I can take it in logs, calor gas or oil then? @PasTropCher

For God’s sake. If you’ve not even bothered to understand who gets what then why so salty about how unfair it all is?

You do understand, don’t you, that if you use no more energy that you can get the payment given back to you?

No, but you can take it in money. Paid into your bank account.

Money can then buy those other things.

Ridiculous for the 5th richest country. Shameful

Got a link to that info @PasTropCher?

The only measure of a country’s wealth that matters for up issues like this is the per-capita GDP. The UK is not anywhere near fifth on that measure.

The idea of the profits of oil and gas and electricity company shareholders going up while people die in freezing homes is inhumane and morally wrong. Agree with your post and the petition.

I’ve been thinking about the heating bills for schools, hospitals and libraries.

@MarshaBradyo You'll be paying higher bills than ever before, and they'll keep going up, but you're ok about that because you've been told that a £31billion subsidy for the energy industry is in fact a discount for you.

There is a petition on change . org at the moment if anyone is interested in signing.

Last petition I signed in the UK got over 6 million signatures and fuck all happened. And I'd be surprised if this one gets even a million. Better off saving that electricity.

It is. £400 off bills it’s pretty clear and simple. Yes prices are rising that is not news

Other people are getting cash payments for more but I’m not in that group

I’m not sure where you’ve got your version from

I can't see where in the Energy Bills Support Scheme it says I can get this "£400 energy bills discount" paid into my bank account @PasTropCher

I'm with verdant on this. If everyone in the UK is given £400 off energy, the money goes directly to those big corporate. It's equivalent to supporting those energy companies. However, if it was framed as supporting the energy companies people would be angry. Energy companies are getting record profits. There are other ways the government could offer support.

Just think about it for a minute @MarshaBradyo

Who's getting all those £400 payments?

Can We have it in cash to put towards solar panels or an electricity generator, calor gas, heating oil, coal, logs or AA batteries?

Why not if it's to help us?

I remember the Winter of Discontent and I think we may be heading for another one, never felt like this before. What I would say is if it happens, please don't complain about people withdrawing their labour to assert their rights to better, more equal treatment and wages as employees and citizens. We have had decades of the Thatcherite dictum of "unions bad" and forgotten how to stand up for ourselves, which has contributed to this mess.

We sit and worry but we need to direct our ire at the long term vast inequalities that mean people are now genuinely worried about being warm and eating. The situation in Ukraine is only part of it and one that we need to cope with. A much bigger part is allowing government to convince us that there are no alternatives and that has been going on for a very long time. Meanwhile, a quite small number of Tory party members are going to elect Liz Truss, when her tax cutting ideas will benefit no one other than the already rich.

Email your MP, repeatedly, if you are called out, go out and join a picket line. Be heard. That and the ballot box have always been the only real ways of effecting change and we all deserve better than this.

Ok so if you could say no thanks to £400 off your bill so the big corporate don’t benefit in your eyes - would you?

if so I’m sure someone else would be happy to take it from you off their bills instead. I wouldn’t say no to £800 off

btw the record profits are not the consumer energy companies but oil and gas, they are separate. It’s complex and easy for people to confuse various elements

Another one of these?

@verdantverdure
You will definitely have at least £400 of energy bills this winter, so the gov money will cover that and the £400 you have 'saved' you can spend on logs, solar panels, whatever you think will help.

Whatever happens, the energy companies are getting their £400.

The deregulated energy market doesn't work. It is dictating prices nobody can afford to pay.

The energy retail companies' business model doesn't work. They are paying over the odds for the product so the only way to continue to pay out billions in dividends and bonuses is to charge us four times what we're used to.

Customers can't afford to pay four times what they usually pay, so millions won't pay and the energy companies will go bust.

Unless the U.K. government prop them up to the tune of a £37billion of corporate welfare handout over the next six months. *

And even more the six months after that because the price cap will have gone up again.

*The government's plan to give the energy companies £37billion over 6 months isn't enough because the energy cap is rising faster than predicted. (See also the Labour Party's plan.)

Yes yes we know

I'm not saving £400. My direct debit is going up from about £100 a month to over £500 a month, How is that a saving?!

@verdantverdure

The deregulated energy market doesn't work. It is dictating prices nobody can afford to pay.

Trolling now? “Nobody”?

Tens of millions of people can afford to pay just fine.