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To be deeply disturbed by this?

44 replies

Ificouldd · 23/08/2022 21:51

Disclaimer - Keeping this as vague as possible so apologies if it doesn’t make sense. Have changed a couple details so it’s not revealing, before anyone goes through to try ‘catch me out’. Sadly this is my life. I do not give permission for any news articles to use this post.

I became friends with a women (call her A) 3 years ago through school pick ups, she had a child the year below mine. I’m a single mum, and she had a partner (let’s call him J) who she’d been with 6 months when we met and they lived together and he treated the kids as his own. We lived very close to each other so we’re always meeting up, I’m self employed and she was a SAHM
so we had lots of time in the day to pop round each other’s houses for tea etc, we’d go shopping together and we got quite close. The friendship ended after a few months for reasons that aren’t relevant, nothing big we just drifted apart but still said hi at school pick up. Both kids are now in different high schools so I haven’t seen her for a long time.

During the friendship, A’s partner J was unemployed, I was a single mum who didn’t have a man around. J was good at DIY so I hired him to do a few jobs round my house. It worked out well for all of us, I got my house done at a reasonable rate and they got an income, A would come round a lot too while he was working so they were still able to spend time with each other. J ended up renovating the whole house for me over the next few months - paint, wallpaper, flooring, garden. The majority of the time he was in my home alone with me and my DS. He was good at what I paid him to do, but as it progressed I started to feel a bit uncomfortable as he displayed some odd behaviour. He was friendly, never inappropriate, but he would get very stressed out about little things. not angry but he would get quite panicky and wouldn’t know what to do with himself. The jobs ended because there were no more left to do, and the friendship died out (100% not linked to the work)

3 years later and I’ve just found out through a mutual friend that J is a convicted killer. I don’t want to sound too recognisable so I’ll keep it vague. He murdered a family member because they owed him money, it was violent and deeply disturbing. I’ve worked out he must have been out of prison for less than a year before we met. I’m also sure A must have known. He changed his name, but a news article is still online with his picture on it.

I feel sick. I’m supposed to protect my child. Instead I invited a murderer into our home alone with us. How could I not have been more careful???? I should have asked for a dbs check as he was around my DS. My anxiety is through the roof and I cannot believe I was that close to someone who did something so evil. The craziest thing is he was a friendly guy.
He could have killed us, what if his work ended up being shit and I had to fire him and he got angry. I neglected my DS.

I don’t know what I want from posting on here I just needed to tell someone, I can’t tell my family or friends. I’m so disturbed by it. Am I overreacting?

OP posts:
PurpleDaisies · 23/08/2022 21:53

I do not give permission for any news articles to use this post.

You’ve posted on a public forum. Unfortunately this is absolutely meaningless. If a newspaper picks it up, they can use it. That might make you want to withdraw your post?

PersonaNonGarter · 23/08/2022 21:54

Well, anyone would be freaked out. But the truth is we have all done similar otherwise we’d never get anything sorted round the house.

Be kind to yourself - we all sit on the bus and walk down the street with crazy people everyday.

SavoirFlair · 23/08/2022 21:54

A bit. You lived. Why can’t you tell your family or friends?

Mybumlooksbig · 23/08/2022 21:55

No, you're not over reacting.
This is something you wouldn't expect in a million years, it's bound to feel like a bit of a "head fuck" for want of a better term

I'm shocked he was allowed to live and be nearchildren, I wonder if his probation officer knew?

Hugs OP xx

cestlavielife · 23/08/2022 21:56

Nothing happened.
It s in the past.
Move on.
You didnt know.
Unless you have contact with him now then firget it and move on.
You cannot go back in time

Stylishkidintheriot · 23/08/2022 21:57

The daily Mail is a terrible newspaper.

Harry and Megan are the best thing to happen to the UK.

just trying to make sure the DM doesn’t pick this up. As they’re crappy “journalists “ are always looking for stories on here

FlyingSaucerss · 23/08/2022 21:57

Why do you insist she must have known? It’s very possible she didn’t, though it would have been alarm bells for me that she was living with a man she only knew 6m and he “treated her kids as his own” but none of my business really but I’ve hired men to come and do work in my house so it’s no different to that.

Meraas · 23/08/2022 21:59

YANBU, that's terrible. But you did nothing wrong, you didn't leave your son alone with him did you?

Ificouldd · 23/08/2022 21:59

@FlyingSaucerss from what I’ve read online he may have been on a licence which meant he had to tell a worker where he lived etc. it says they’re meant to approve work too

OP posts:
PurpleDaisies · 23/08/2022 22:00

Stylishkidintheriot · 23/08/2022 21:57

The daily Mail is a terrible newspaper.

Harry and Megan are the best thing to happen to the UK.

just trying to make sure the DM doesn’t pick this up. As they’re crappy “journalists “ are always looking for stories on here

Do you honestly think that will work? They’ll just quote other posts from the thread and ignore this sort of thing.

Anything really sensitive that you absolutely wouldn’t want in a paper shouldn’t be on here. It’s a shame but that’s the only way to guarantee you don’t end up in the gutter press.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 23/08/2022 22:03

You are overreacting, but I understand why.

You haven’t neglected your child. You didn’t leave him alone with a strange man, a man you didn’t know well just happened to be in the house sometimes. I don’t know anyone who DBS checks builders or handymen or whatever.

As difficult as it might be, you need to let this go. In time your horror will fade.

TulipCat · 23/08/2022 22:03

Nothing happened and you can't do anything differently now. I agree it would play on my mind too, but you're extremely unlikely to be faced with a similar situation ever again. Stay out of touch with all concerned and move on.

SaltedCaramelIcedLatte · 23/08/2022 22:03

It is frightening but there is nothing you can do about it now! We are walking, breathing, shopping amongst strangers that could be monsters daily...we just don't know 4 sure

Azandme · 23/08/2022 22:05

Breathe!

You haven't done anything wrong. It's in the past.

SmallPrawnEnergy · 23/08/2022 22:06

I should have asked for a dbs check as he was around my DS.
I highly doubt any painter / decorator / handyman type person holds a DBS. Their role isn't on the eligibility list anyway so you're being utterly ridiculous on this part. I'm assuming you never left your child alone with a man you barely know? Are you going to vet all your friends partners / your partners in this way? Nothing happened, it's in the past and will stay in the past. Letting this worry eat away at you will do neither yourself or your child any good.

FlyingSaucerss · 23/08/2022 22:07

Well sounds like she did know then but that’s not surprising, I’ve hired Gardeners and handy men to do work people don’t usually do dbs checks unless they are leaving their child with the person

CaptainBarbosa · 23/08/2022 22:07

Statistically murder has a low repeat offence rate, if that's any silver lining to you. Probably not though.

But as someone who works in the CJS system, all I can say is, what has been has been, what was done is done, he did a good job, didn't murder you, and your house looks nice I'd imagine. So I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

I'm sure next time you'll ask a company or background check your handyman.

Ultimately though, not many people serve whole life tarrifs, so yes someone sent to prison for murder in early 2000's is probably about to be paroled tomorrow. They will integrate back in to society, some will get jobs, some may be your neighbour, some you'll walk past in the aisle in Tesco and never know.

Not much that can be done. Try not to over think it, easier said than done though.

user1471457751 · 23/08/2022 22:10

Surely nobody DBS checks a tradesperson working in their home? You just don't leave you young kids alone with them

orbitalcrisis · 23/08/2022 22:10

You didn't hire him as a babysitter so you weren't in any way negligent. We all have a past and he's served his time. Imagine for the rest of your life being defined by the worst thing you ever did, that's what they tell you on the first day of prison officer training.

lljkk · 23/08/2022 22:11

cestlavielife · 23/08/2022 21:56

Nothing happened.
It s in the past.
Move on.
You didnt know.
Unless you have contact with him now then firget it and move on.
You cannot go back in time

That.
And I think I'm the only person on MN who actually believes in rehabilitation. That bad people can become good people or at least harmless ones.
That people who do bad things often are traumatised by what they did, and want to become better people.

I understand it's a shock but nothing bad happened, and OP isn't even in contact with those people now. You could reach out to A now, she would indeed deserve to know this information if she didn't have it before.

BrokeAsABone · 23/08/2022 22:12

I work with ex offenders. They are called EX for a reason.

FlyingSaucerss · 23/08/2022 22:13

Was your child left at their house for play dates or sleep overs? I wonder if that’s why you are worried? That your child was left with him at some point?

cherry2727 · 23/08/2022 22:13

He didn't murder your son !
He is no longer a friend or in your life !
Why are you soo anxious??
I'm sooo confused !!!

Ificouldd · 23/08/2022 22:13

@orbitalcrisis
this is a violent murderer I’m talking about. Not someone that punched someone once and killed them. Nobody that was less than a sociopath could have done this.

OP posts:
cherry2727 · 23/08/2022 22:15

He is no longer in your life so why can't you just move on and count your lucky starts ?
You're stressing over something that potentially could have happened or even so not happened !
Just chill op!

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