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For expecting DH to stay quiet

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SmoothKent · 18/08/2022 21:04

My only family dynamics are somewhat dysfunctional and involved a lot of lying and secret keeping between my parents, which dragged my siblings and me into it. I therefore avoid any secret keeping and lying with DH because I know how messed up it was.

DH’s family are also very much against lying and any form of dishonesty. That said, his mum often tells very small inconsequential white lies (silly things such as claiming the jar opened is the new one just bought when it’s the one that’s been sitting in the fridge for a year, or the fruit and veg has been washed when it hasn’t), although she did tell us a big lie around the time of our wedding when it came to inviting extended family.

Anyway, that is all background information. We are currently visiting my in laws. There’s some news about my mum which I found out yesterday, which I specifically told DH not to mention because I know his mum will make a big deal out of it, and I don’t have the energy for that, and I’d rather wait and see how the next couple of days go. DH told me that’s fine.

All day MIL has been asking me how my parents are, and I’ve just been saying fine. DH told me tonight that he actually told his mum last night. I got annoyed and he apologised, saying that it didn’t feel right to deceive his parents when we’re staying with them. I’m annoyed because I didn’t want anyone to know, as his mum is huge gossip and she wouldn’t stop talking to me about it, when I don’t want to talk about it. Also, it’s my family’s business and no one else’s. Secondly, all day I’ve been telling her my parents are fine when all along she knew so she will know I’m lying. And also, I specially told DH not to say anything and he betrayed that.

However, I genuinely don’t know if I was asking too much of DH to not tell his mum and that it breaches the importance of not lying.

YABU - you’re staying with his parents at the moment, they should know something is happening.

YANBU - you asked him not to say anything and he did, that’s not ok.

OP posts:
Gymnopedie · 19/08/2022 02:28

So basically they're hypocrites. They want you to believe that they are always honest, never lie, but actually they're just like everyone else.

I hate 'D'H's rationale that just because you said not to tell 'when we get back in' saying it two hours later wasn't breaking his promise. That's two faced.

is he like this when you're not actually there but he's calling/facetiming/whatever?

Marvellousmadness · 19/08/2022 02:30

Meh. Telling your dh he has to lie? That sounds a bit juvenile to me.
Your family is messed up by the sounds of it but why drag your dh into it. You dont have to pretend all is great when it isnt
Why lie about it.

Appleblum · 19/08/2022 02:35

He should have respected your wishes to keep it private, especially after he expressedly said he would.

PyongyangKipperbang · 19/08/2022 03:15

There is a huge difference between asking for privacy and asking someone to tell a lie. Not saying anything isnt a lie, it is simply respecting anothers privacy.

Sounds like he is as much a gossip as his mother.

PyongyangKipperbang · 19/08/2022 03:18

Marvellousmadness · 19/08/2022 02:30

Meh. Telling your dh he has to lie? That sounds a bit juvenile to me.
Your family is messed up by the sounds of it but why drag your dh into it. You dont have to pretend all is great when it isnt
Why lie about it.

She didnt ask him to lie. She asked him to keep her mothers private medical information that she was still processing, to himself. He didnt.

And in fact by promising he would and then breaking that promise, he DID lie but because it suited him and not because the OP asked him to.

Danceswithkids · 19/08/2022 03:28

I had an ex like this. I just told him straight that if I couldn't be sure he would keep it to himself then I'd not be able to share anything with him. He got much better at not blabbing after that.

BlueSkyAndButterflies · 19/08/2022 04:03

Your husband should be loyal to you. His mum comes 2nd. She sounds awful in general for feeding you dirty and out of date food and lying about your wedding. I wouldn't be at all happy that he's put her desire for gossip above your need for peace and your mum's need for privacy.

ImAvingOops · 19/08/2022 04:25

There has to be privacy between couples. Each person has the right to speak and share worries etc with their partner and expect that information to remain private. What he's done is a big betrayal and the fact that he can't see it is worse.
It sounds like he has been fucked up by his family such that he cannot see what are normal boundaries between a couple and their extended family.

In short, not everyone has the right to know everything about another person's life!

Id go home - your mil is a nasty bitch who is just digging at you and your h has put you in this position. Nuclear wouldn't begin to describe how I would have reacted to this - it really is a betrayal of trust.

Sally872 · 19/08/2022 06:57

If he believed that telling mum later was ok he wouldn't have told her to pretend she doesn't know.

LateAF · 19/08/2022 07:36

Marvellousmadness · 19/08/2022 02:30

Meh. Telling your dh he has to lie? That sounds a bit juvenile to me.
Your family is messed up by the sounds of it but why drag your dh into it. You dont have to pretend all is great when it isnt
Why lie about it.

What? That’s called maintaining and respecting others’ privacy. Something all mature adults should be able to do without needing to lie. You might only need to lie if dealing with a nosy gossip, in which case, their social deficiencies deserve that response.

LateAF · 19/08/2022 07:41

SmoothKent · 18/08/2022 23:17

It is health related.

He genuinely can’t see what he did wrong. I didn’t want him to tell his mum because she would make a big deal out of it and I didn’t want to talk about it. Because she knows and she hasn’t talked about it or
made a big deal out of it, then what I wanted to avoid hasn’t happened, so what’s the issue.

He apparently recalls me saying don’t tell them when we get back in (we were out when I spoke to my mum) and he didn’t tell his mum when he got back in but later, so it’s therefore ok.

I’m just so so disappointed and hurt, made worse by him not seeing what he’s done wrong.

I think the only thing you can do is not tell him any updates from your mum. And when the issue is all resolved maybe casually update him. If he’s upset by this then use it as an opportunity to explain that if you can’t trust him to maintain privacy then you can’t tell him private things anymore; since he doesn’t see that what he did is a big deal, that’s the only choice you are left with.

Herejustforthisone · 19/08/2022 07:55

Your husband is a stupid gossip, just like his mother. Awful. And he’s minimising it to you, too. Fuck them all off and go home, and don’t let him get away with it.

Purplecatshopaholic · 19/08/2022 08:02

Jeezo, I would be absolutely raging if my partner did that. Talk about breach of trust. He needs to be told in no uncertain terms that it’s totally unacceptable. Your parents lives are none of her fucking business!

SalviaOfficinalis · 19/08/2022 08:52

Sally872 · 19/08/2022 06:57

If he believed that telling mum later was ok he wouldn't have told her to pretend she doesn't know.

This is an excellent point. He knew he was doing the wrong thing. Because he asked his mum to lie about it to you… the irony seems to be lost on him sadly.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 19/08/2022 08:57

Talipesmum · 18/08/2022 21:06

He shouldn’t have said anything. Voted YABU cos that’s the way round you wrote it, but I don’t think you’re unreasonable to be cross!

@Talipesmum

You can change your vote just by tapping the other option.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 19/08/2022 09:12

Marvellousmadness · 19/08/2022 02:30

Meh. Telling your dh he has to lie? That sounds a bit juvenile to me.
Your family is messed up by the sounds of it but why drag your dh into it. You dont have to pretend all is great when it isnt
Why lie about it.

Are you not familiar with the concept of privacy??

Op's mums health issue is private. Not something that needs to be told to her daughters MIL, followed by the world & their dog.

@SmoothKent 'doesn't think he's done anything wrong'. Just tell him, it was PRIVATE information you explicitly asked him not to share AND he agreed. Not telling his mum about your mums private health issue is NOT lying to his mum. It's not her business. Ask him if he had a private health issue if he'd feel it was ok for you to tell your mum, the postman, the bloke at the corner shop because you don't want to lie. He'd be fine with you telling Jane next door about his erectile dysfunction?

Carrotmum · 19/08/2022 09:34

What about your poor mum’s feelings in all this, she has a concern she shares it with you, probably expecting you will share it with your DH not a problem. Then cause of your DH’s blabber mouth your MIL now knows and from what you have said she will think it’s a lie if she doesn’t tell everyone she knows about your mum’s personal business, it gets back to your mum somehow or your MIL gets in touch with her directly to ask nosey questions. Your mum then feels she can’t confide in you or ask for your support without it ending up as common knowledge, so maybe she doesn’t reach out again and struggles on herself rather than having to ask you not to tell your DH.

Talipesmum · 19/08/2022 09:52

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 19/08/2022 08:57

@Talipesmum

You can change your vote just by tapping the other option.

I did, after the OP clarified!

10HailMarys · 19/08/2022 10:42

Marvellousmadness · 19/08/2022 02:30

Meh. Telling your dh he has to lie? That sounds a bit juvenile to me.
Your family is messed up by the sounds of it but why drag your dh into it. You dont have to pretend all is great when it isnt
Why lie about it.

What a silly thing to say.

It wasn't even a case of lying, it was simply case of not announcing some news. And where on earth do you get the idea that the OP's family is 'messed up'? The OP's mum had some news about her health, which the OP wants to keep private for now because because it's nobody else's business and potentially a bit upsetting to have to discuss. Absolutely nothing 'messed up' about that. It's normal to want some time to come to terms with something privately before you start telling other people and it's normal to ask other people to respect that privacy.

People are allowed to keep things fucking private if they want to. Jeez.

Mangogogogo · 19/08/2022 10:45

I don’t get furious very often but I would be fucking livid

Midlifemusings · 19/08/2022 10:59

I think there are two facets. I am uncomfortable with other people asking me to lie for them. So it would make me very uncomfortable if my husband asked me to lie to my parents and tell them his parents are great when actually they have something that is very not great happening.

However I also don't need to share specifics and it wouldn't be up to me to say what was wrong. I would respect his request to keep the specifics quiet. I would just say I can't really speak to their health right now or they do have some challenges right now but they wish to keep it private. My preference would be that my husband tell my parents whatever messaging he wishes to use. But I am not okay with being asked to lie to my family.

So I think you are both in the wrong. You for asking your husband to lie for you and your husband for disclosing the details that you asked him not to. You should have decided ahead of time how YOU would handle the questions in a way that didn't put him in a position to lie to his parents.

NiqueNique · 19/08/2022 11:03

No, OP was not in the wrong. Don’t be ridiculous.

His parents aren’t gods, they don’t deserve by natural rights to be told all about everything.

Part of growing up, IMO, is putting away childish ideas like ‘always tell THE TRUTH to mummy and daddy.’

whynotwhatknot · 19/08/2022 12:11

he being bloody pedantic with the i didnt tell them straight away thing

actually really immature

LateAF · 19/08/2022 12:19

Midlifemusings · 19/08/2022 10:59

I think there are two facets. I am uncomfortable with other people asking me to lie for them. So it would make me very uncomfortable if my husband asked me to lie to my parents and tell them his parents are great when actually they have something that is very not great happening.

However I also don't need to share specifics and it wouldn't be up to me to say what was wrong. I would respect his request to keep the specifics quiet. I would just say I can't really speak to their health right now or they do have some challenges right now but they wish to keep it private. My preference would be that my husband tell my parents whatever messaging he wishes to use. But I am not okay with being asked to lie to my family.

So I think you are both in the wrong. You for asking your husband to lie for you and your husband for disclosing the details that you asked him not to. You should have decided ahead of time how YOU would handle the questions in a way that didn't put him in a position to lie to his parents.

Mother: How are Barbara and Mick?
Son: Fine thank you- changes topic how was Spain?

Really not that difficult since fine thanks is the expected response to the question. If someone asks you how are you, you don’t regale them with a tale about how shit your day is, you just say fine thanks/ not bad thanks, since that is the polite way to respond to such small talk. Or do you think being polite and social niceties are the same as lying?

Brefugee · 19/08/2022 12:22

This is where the problem with saying "you must never ever lie and always be 100% honest" gets people into problems/trouble.

There is a huge difference between lying and not betraying a confidence, and tbh it seems to me that both your families haven't really developed the ability to tell the difference.
There are times when "lying" (or fairy stories) are fine: Father Chritmas, the Easter Bunny, it's just around the next corner when out on a long hike - these are small white lies that we learn to identify as we get older.

Betraying a confidence isn't "telling the truth" or "not lying" it is shitty and should be identified as such. Saying nothing is also ok in that situation. It's not even being "economical with the truth" it is preserving someone else's dignity and not sharing their business around people who have no need to know.

Actual lies, harmful lies, and the aforementioned "economical with the truth" are another matter entirely.

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