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87 Year old in mobility scooter stabbed to death

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christmas2022 · 17/08/2022 14:54

Greenford: Manhunt for mobility scooter murder suspect www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62575679

Now they have a clear CCTV image it only has to be a matter of time before an arrest is made but seriously, what is this world coming to.

The article gives details of 6 murders in 4 days in London.

This is terrifying. I like to know what is going on around me but it is very tempting to take a step back from the news and live in my own bubble.

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SprinkleOfSunak · 17/08/2022 20:02

I’m so incensed by the killing of this vulnerable, elderly gentleman, and can’t stop thinking about him and his loved ones. It’s very distressing.

I was born and bred in London, and have lived in various London boroughs my whole life - the same is true of my parents, and was the case for my grandparents too. It’s definitely getting more and more unsafe in my opinion with every year.

When my Grandad was in his 80’s and visibly frail, a group of teenagers started shouting at him, laughing and firing an air pellet gun towards him and his dog while on a walk in his local park. This understandably terrified him and he and his dog escaped as fast as they could - fortunately physically unscathed, but not mentally. When he returned home, he had an asthma attack and my Nan called for an ambulance and the police. He was checked over and the police were lovely with him, but told him they’d be shocked if they caught anyone, and that there would be limited punishments available anyway.

Also in his 80’s, my Grandad was challenged to a fight at the entrance to a bus by a man in his 20’s when he had told the man there was a queue of elderly people who’ve been waiting a long time and he shouldn’t push in. He punched my Grandad, and he was able to punch the arsehole back, and fortunately the bus driver jumped in and grabbed hold of him before he could punch my Grandad again, and he told him he would call the police and to fuck off.

My then widowed Nan was approached by a man when she was in her late 80’s while she was walking her dog. She thought she’d been followed and got onto the main road, only to have the same man suddenly approach her from behind telling her she’s got sexy legs. He then grabbed her arm and started saying really disgusting sexual things to her, and she was terrified. Fortunately someone from outside the pub opposite came to ask if my Nan was ok, and the scum bag ran off. The police weren’t surprised by what my Nan reported to them.

I was disgusted and terrified to learn of all the above crimes that affected my grandparents, and I shudder to think that the outcomes could’ve been so different. I have no doubt that any of those individuals involved would’ve thought twice about seriously injuring or killing my grandparents. To our knowledge, no one was ever arrested for any of the above.

So many other terrible things have happened to other loved ones too in London who are not pensioners. It’s shocking when I start to mentally itemise them all - and the police didn’t catch anyone for any of these either (including attempted murder).

Something serious and radical needs to take place, and fast. The situation is utterly diabolical. Society is on its’ knees - it’s like nothing is sacred anymore.

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woodhill · 17/08/2022 20:10

Terrible, it's very hard to understand why this happened

Poor poor man😢

NameChanger567 · 17/08/2022 20:11

That is so sad :(

JaneJeffer · 17/08/2022 20:15

That's terrible @SprinkleOfSunak. I lived in London years ago and when I see things like that reported nowadays it's very sad to see. The area I lived in seems to have gone to hell and it used to be lovely Sad

Gilead · 17/08/2022 20:19

Brought up in Wimbledon and Putney, would not go back.
whoever mentioned policing, it’s the government funding , or lack of that’s awry.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 17/08/2022 20:23

Gilead · 17/08/2022 20:19

Brought up in Wimbledon and Putney, would not go back.
whoever mentioned policing, it’s the government funding , or lack of that’s awry.

Lived in Wimbledon & Putney for years!! Stupidly bought out of london because it was more affordable, I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could afford to buy there. Especially Putney.

spagbog5 · 17/08/2022 20:27

We were in the area very shortly after this happened and saw them working on him by the side of the road .
It was obviously something very serious but I can't believe it was a poor old man .
It's been on my mind since we drove past and I was shocked to see it all over the news this morning.
So so sad and horrible.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 17/08/2022 20:36

@SprinkleOfSunak

i am so very sorry your Grandparents went through all of that, it's disgusting.

I live in the SE now, in what is still considered a 'nice' area. The teenagers & slightly older have turned bloody feral, that actually scare me now. They know the police won't do anything & that their parents will back them up, no matter what.

itvfeels like it's a huge national problem that needs sorting, but how, we don't have enough police & they're not empowered enough to do Jack shit.

MarshaMelrose · 17/08/2022 20:43

It happened yesterday afternoon. Why are posters going on about 2 days? It wasn't much more than 24 hours ago.

Yesterday and today - 2 days.

dottypotter · 17/08/2022 21:17

What a coward using a knife on anyone let alone an old man.

I wish we could hang him publicly.

bellabasset · 17/08/2022 21:46

Horrifying attack, hope the police are able to arrest the suspect soon, the picture of him is quite clear

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 17/08/2022 22:11

I can only imagine the time he's gonna have in Prison. Anyone who's in there for hurting/killing kids, the elderly and the vulnerable are absolutely detested in the Prison system

TheFairyCaravan · 17/08/2022 22:15

It made me cry. It’s just so utterly cowardly and completely senseless. That poor old man didn’t stand a chance. 💔

I hope they catch the culprit very soon and he gets a long prison sentence.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 17/08/2022 22:25

TheFairyCaravan · 17/08/2022 22:15

It made me cry. It’s just so utterly cowardly and completely senseless. That poor old man didn’t stand a chance. 💔

I hope they catch the culprit very soon and he gets a long prison sentence.

Its very rare but due to the victims age and vulnerability and if the perpetrator is over 21 they could very well get a whole life tariff. That's certainly what I'd give them, anyway! No ifs buts maybes or qualms about it

Guiltycat · 17/08/2022 22:27

The type of people that commit these sort of crimes know they are unlikely to get caught, that even if they do it is unlikely to be a long sentence, and that even a longer sentence isn’t that much of a hardship. They get to keep all their creature comforts (drugs, phones, porn, cigarettes) and make extra contacts, so it doesn’t matter.

I would prefer much longer sentences, more prisons and forced labour (if any government would actually fund the prison system properly). Not as an incentive to stop them, nothing would do that. But at least it would not be rewarding to be imprisoned, victims could feel as though there was actually some form of punishment and the scumbags could at least be put to some use to society.

FlibbertyGiblets · 17/08/2022 22:55

It is horrific.

(not sure I am keen on us mumsnetters being berated for not emoting sufficiently to please a pp)

Trinity65 · 17/08/2022 23:26

You who is saying it could be a mental illness

I suffer from Mental Illness and not ONCE have I felt the urge to stab somebody to death
I am, quite frankly, sick of this trotted out .

DandyMandy · 18/08/2022 01:28

Absolutely heartbreaking. The killer needs to be caught and charged with murder of course, but also for committing an anti-Irish hate crime. RIP Thomas.

christmas2022 · 18/08/2022 06:58

Randomthoughts992 · 17/08/2022 18:19

i cried at this, the old man looked so lovely and friendly and i bet his family are devastated, also imagine he never thought at the age of 87 he would be murdered as his death, Imagine going through your life and getting to the end just to have it taken away like that. What goes through someones mind to do that to someone.

And if he CAN do that to some defenceless man in a scooter i don't think there is anything that he cant do

This. It's chilling.

You want to be able to go about your daily business with some sense of safety and security.

Often you hear of incident and it's obvious it is one gang against another. This is not that. It's absolutely mindless.

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Florenz · 18/08/2022 07:03

I see they have caught the man who did it. Hopefully he will get a long sentence but I doubt it.

SavoirFlair · 18/08/2022 07:08

Some of the cringeworthy amateur detectives on here who have been talking about “gangs” attacking the victim, or “mental illness” , should just sit down for a bit and stop posting. is it some sort of urge to be “proven right” if the supposition is substantiated in fact later after arrest or something?

The police had stated they were looking at a failed robbery as the motive, single individual.

Florenz · 18/08/2022 07:20

The police are often wrong. If it wasn't for all the "amateur detectives", crime would be far higher than it already is.

picklemewalnuts · 18/08/2022 07:22

So, in the interests of imagining how we can address the feral people- a pp mentioned a crackdown, longer prison sentences, more stop and search...

Those strategies tend to disproportionately impact people of colour. Can we impose those strategies along with a mental tally for the police- you've done two Kids of colour, now do two white kids? If we're scrupulously fair about who we stop and search, is that ok?

How do we manage the prison population? How do we address the fact it's kids? Do we move whole families out of areas if their kids get involved in a gang?

It's easy to shout 'someone should do something!'
It's easy to complain about what the police actually do.

We did a load of stuff 20 odd years ago to tackle poverty and improve kids lives, this reducing social problems- sure start centres, nursery places. Was there any evidence it was working? those youngsters are presumably the ones causing problems now.

christmas2022 · 18/08/2022 07:28

Thomas O'Halloran: Man arrested over Greenford mobility scooter killing www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-62587263

A man of 44 years of age.

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