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To think the Commonwealth has had its day?

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antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 12:50

The Commonwealth is a colonialist institution based on a history of conquest and slavery.

"The origins of the Commonwealth come from Britain's former Empire. Many of the members of the Commonwealth were territories which had historically come under British rule at various times by settlement, conquest or cession. The administration of such colonies evolved in different ways, to reflect the different circumstances of each territory."
www.royal.uk/commonwealth

The Commonwealth Games have never been held in an African country. Although there have been exceptions, most years it is held in Britain, Australia, New Zealand or Canada. Since 1930 it has only been held three times in other countries. Or seven countries if you include youth games and paraplegic games.

The Commonwealth has no clear role; it confers no trade privileges upon its members, does not coordinate their defence or foreign policy, and lacks both the budget and the executive authority to make a practical difference in the world.

It is a colonialist hangover that has no clear role and should be abolished.
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Maireas · 15/08/2022 14:55

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 14:46

@Twizbe Only because the Queen asked them to accept Charles.

True, but it's still their choice.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/08/2022 14:57

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 12:59

Many top athletes opted out of the Commonwealth Games, including Tom Daley.

the vast majority of eligible sports men and women did not opt out of the Commonwealth Games. A few did, but that was more to do with the fact that the sporting calendar has been disrupted and messed about with over the past couple of years and some athletes decided that competing in World Champs, Commonwealth Games and European Champs so close together was not doable.

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 14:59

And Catherine and William had a disastrous tour.

It is old-fashioned and based on colonialism.

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Runwalkskijump · 15/08/2022 15:00

cormorant5 · 15/08/2022 14:29

What a wonderful Thread for getting the wrong end of several sticks.
It is called The Commonwealth, the word British was dropped years ago. UK is a member, it is not ours.

The members chose the Queen to be it's leader. Partly because she had met many of those leaders who were in office at their independence.
After the Queen dies it will be up to them to chose a new leader.

Comments already about countries joining or leaving.
Tom Daley, I think, did not compete because some in countries being gay is illegal and carries severe punishment. He got a fair bit of attention.

Please syate where that is the teasonTom Daley didn't compete.

He is taking a year out after the Olympics and has said so for months.

He watched it and was part of the opening ceremony.

He also wasn't at the world championships nor is he at the current Europeans. Does that mean he doesn't like Hungry or Italy either?

Also maybe watch hos documentry on the commonwealth and his conclusion.

But don't let that stop your rumour flying.

Runwalkskijump · 15/08/2022 15:01

*state, reason, his

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/08/2022 15:03

tbh - Britain has just has much, if not more, in common with the rest of the Commonwealth than it does Europe (and I voted to remain).

e.g. nearly all Commonwealth countries use FPTP to elect their parliament

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 15:04

"As part of a BBC documentary to be aired next month, Daley travelled to some of the Commonwealth's most homophobic countries to highlight the discrimination faced by the LGBT+ community."

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11057349/Tom-Daley-hits-homophobia-nations-taking-Commonwealth-Games.html

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Maireas · 15/08/2022 15:07

Yes, I saw Tom Daley's programme. The countries that he talked about are hostile to gay people not because they're in the Commonwealth, though. As we know, many countries are like that, even worse, and are not members.
Plus many Commonwealth members are very inclusive.

Runwalkskijump · 15/08/2022 15:07

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 15:04

"As part of a BBC documentary to be aired next month, Daley travelled to some of the Commonwealth's most homophobic countries to highlight the discrimination faced by the LGBT+ community."

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11057349/Tom-Daley-hits-homophobia-nations-taking-Commonwealth-Games.html

I repeat, have you actually watched it?

Oh and he has competed in the Commonwealth Games before.

MoistBandana · 15/08/2022 15:09

Someone should do a documentary about the discrimination faced by females and the impact that renting their bodies has in the long term.

Newrumpus · 15/08/2022 15:10

Maireas · 15/08/2022 14:55

Meghan had all the flowers of the Commonwealth embroidered on her wedding veil.
I know they're no longer doing the job, but H and M were keen to take on a Commonwealth role, so it can't all be a bad thing.

I’m not sure that that is much indication of it’s virtues tbh

VladmirsPoutine · 15/08/2022 15:12

Yanbu. It's had it's day. Unlike Germany, Britain however is extremely proud of it's past.

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 15:12

Runwalkskijump · 15/08/2022 15:07

I repeat, have you actually watched it?

Oh and he has competed in the Commonwealth Games before.

Yes I watched it. He outlined how homophobic laws were a result of British colonialism.

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Maireas · 15/08/2022 15:12

Newrumpus · 15/08/2022 15:10

I’m not sure that that is much indication of it’s virtues tbh

I didn't say that. My point was that she willingly embraced that role. A person known for speaking about equality and inclusivity.

User8273738273737 · 15/08/2022 15:15

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 15/08/2022 12:57

YABU to want to get rid of the Commonwealth games when it does so much for Athletes, sportspeople and the economy of wherever it’s held.

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet so, great for the economy of the 4 white majority countries where the games are always held, when they could also be held in ‘other’ countries (wonder what the difference is…)

MarshaMelrose · 15/08/2022 15:16

The Commonwealth Games have never been held in an African country.

You make it sound like that's for discriminatory reasons. Actually Durban was elected to hold the games this year but they eventually they couldn't manage it financially. It's an expensive business and surely athletes who like to compete shouldn't ve deprived because their country isn't in a financial position to hold them.
The Olympics have never been held in an African country, should African countries boycott the Olympic movement as well?

SleeplessInEngland · 15/08/2022 15:16

Well as far as the sporting event goes I think Adam Peaty was speaking for almost everyone when he said "it's only the commonwealth games".

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 15:18

Newrumpus · 15/08/2022 15:10

I’m not sure that that is much indication of it’s virtues tbh

This wedding veil is being expected to do a lot of heavy lifting.

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PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 15/08/2022 15:19

SleeplessInEngland · 15/08/2022 15:16

Well as far as the sporting event goes I think Adam Peaty was speaking for almost everyone when he said "it's only the commonwealth games".

Which he then sincerely apologised for.

Maireas · 15/08/2022 15:19

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 15:18

This wedding veil is being expected to do a lot of heavy lifting.

?
I took it as a statement of intent.
It certainly indicated support of, and engagement with, the commonwealth.

SummaLuvin · 15/08/2022 15:20

MarshaMelrose · 15/08/2022 15:16

The Commonwealth Games have never been held in an African country.

You make it sound like that's for discriminatory reasons. Actually Durban was elected to hold the games this year but they eventually they couldn't manage it financially. It's an expensive business and surely athletes who like to compete shouldn't ve deprived because their country isn't in a financial position to hold them.
The Olympics have never been held in an African country, should African countries boycott the Olympic movement as well?

And I think Durban were the sole bidder for that games, so it implies the African nations aren't interested in that financial burden - who can blame them?

MarshaMelrose · 15/08/2022 15:22

Smaller nations value being in the Commonwealth because it gives them access on an equal footing to larger, wealthier nations. They can influence policy and have the ability to push their trading interests. There's a reason why countries are joining the Commonwealth instead of leaving it.

Runwalkskijump · 15/08/2022 15:22

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 15:12

Yes I watched it. He outlined how homophobic laws were a result of British colonialism.

You said he opted out of the Commonwealth Games and are linking the two. 2 plus 2 doesn't make 5

Runwalkskijump · 15/08/2022 15:23

SummaLuvin · 15/08/2022 15:20

And I think Durban were the sole bidder for that games, so it implies the African nations aren't interested in that financial burden - who can blame them?

Durban were awarded it but dropped out so Birmingham stepped in.

Twizbe · 15/08/2022 15:23

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 14:46

@Twizbe Only because the Queen asked them to accept Charles.

It was still their choice.