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Comedians defending Jerry Sadowitz

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FenlandFuckwit · 13/08/2022 20:37

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62533592

His latest gig has been cancelled after he told racist jokes and got his dick out. Why are other comedians defending his right to do this? This behaviour is not ok, AIBU to think this is indecent and disgusting behaviour and the venue were correct in cancelling him.

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LovinglifeAF · 16/08/2022 13:48

JemimaPuddlegoose · 16/08/2022 02:08

I'm glad for you, but as a child rape survivor I would feel extremely unsafe, and I know at least one person who's also a survivor who did go and see his show and felt very unsafe due to the way he targeted her.

Rape survivors are all different. Clearly his show does make some rape survivors feel unsafe.

Presumably (a) no one forced her to go and (b) once she found it triggering she could leave?

beastlyslumber · 16/08/2022 14:01

If you're someone likely to be triggered by certain jokes or references, surely you account for that in the kinds of shows you decide to go and see?

Adults need to take responsibility for themselves. The idea that a show needs an on-site therapist to make everyone feel safe is so fucking Brave New World it terrifies me.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2022 14:32

Adults need to take responsibility for themselves.

The biggest problem in society is adults insisting on taking responsibility for others - whether those others wanted it or not.

SheeWeee · 16/08/2022 14:37

LovinglifeAF · 16/08/2022 13:48

Presumably (a) no one forced her to go and (b) once she found it triggering she could leave?

But literally any show can make anyone feel "unsafe" (can they not simply be upset anymore?) for any reason, so by that logic we need to cancel literally everything. Even the bullshit with the therapist.

LovinglifeAF · 16/08/2022 14:47

SheeWeee · 16/08/2022 14:37

But literally any show can make anyone feel "unsafe" (can they not simply be upset anymore?) for any reason, so by that logic we need to cancel literally everything. Even the bullshit with the therapist.

Well exactly. Totally insane

BoredofthisCrap7 · 16/08/2022 15:06

LovinglifeAF · 16/08/2022 13:48

Presumably (a) no one forced her to go and (b) once she found it triggering she could leave?

Well, that would be the sensible thing to do.

You would have thought.

vera99 · 16/08/2022 17:15

Don't ask how but here are 15 minutes of unedited JS from years ago if anyone wants to know what he is on about.
WARNING - obviously very offensive don't listen if you are easily offended.

DeadButDelicious · 16/08/2022 17:39

vera99 · 16/08/2022 17:15

Don't ask how but here are 15 minutes of unedited JS from years ago if anyone wants to know what he is on about.
WARNING - obviously very offensive don't listen if you are easily offended.

It'll disappear soon enough but thanks for sharing that!

Sometimeswinning · 16/08/2022 19:23

vera99 · 16/08/2022 17:15

Don't ask how but here are 15 minutes of unedited JS from years ago if anyone wants to know what he is on about.
WARNING - obviously very offensive don't listen if you are easily offended.

Thankyou!!

vera99 · 16/08/2022 20:03

Quote from: Stewart Lee's newsletter
Sadowitz's schtick made conceptual sense when we all lived in a supposed liberal consensus, but now we are in the foothills of Phil MacIntyre-promoted fascism-lite will it read differently? He is one of the great stand-ups but we are in a different world to the one that gave us the classic '80s opening line, "Nelson Mandela! What a cunt!"

BoredofthisCrap7 · 16/08/2022 20:06

That's a minor miracle you have found this, there is literally nothing of his stuff online, he's renowned (or his team are) for removing anything online. Even his own web page is very sparse with information, and has no pictures!

As I say I did see JS in the mid nineties, thought he was funny (and quite scary) then. Listening to the audio you posted I didn't really find any of it funny, BUT I would never dream of telling someone ELSE that they shouldn't find it funny.

I didn't however, feel unsafe listening to it, so that seems like its a miracle in itself.

vera99 · 16/08/2022 20:16

Not a miracle but I have the files from torrent sites and have uploaded them to a YT account that I have as unlisted so virtually invisible. I tried to upload his show Total Abuse with no text or names but the YouTube AI copped it was full of abuse so rejected it.

If anyone is curious to see a whole show Gobshite here it is. He almost belongs to another era now and is no longer to my taste but I'm glad he exists and ploughs his fairly lonely furrow. It's words to a paying audience in a closed room that can never be as obscene as so much else that goes on in the world.

drive.google.com/file/d/1Ep6knMBjW8lpB549-ddJe5hJOD0LaZhA/view?usp=sharing

Haudyourwheesht · 16/08/2022 20:19

Is being offended a threat to our safety these days? A lot of the Tory party's views and policies deeply offend me but hearing them doesn't make me feel 'unsafe'.

vera99 · 16/08/2022 20:22

The Tories make me feel fucking unsafe - the sooner we cancel them the better.

RosiePosie80 · 16/08/2022 20:49

vera99 · 16/08/2022 17:15

Don't ask how but here are 15 minutes of unedited JS from years ago if anyone wants to know what he is on about.
WARNING - obviously very offensive don't listen if you are easily offended.

Worth mentioning that this clip is many years earlier than JS’s crimes were publicly known. Jerry Sadowitz was saying it and was ignored by almost everyone, his album was removed from sale due to threats of libel from Savile’s lawyers.

RosiePosie80 · 16/08/2022 20:56

RosiePosie80 · 16/08/2022 20:49

Worth mentioning that this clip is many years earlier than JS’s crimes were publicly known. Jerry Sadowitz was saying it and was ignored by almost everyone, his album was removed from sale due to threats of libel from Savile’s lawyers.

Sorry, totally unclear- JS here is Jimmy Savile.

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/08/2022 20:59

The Venn diagram of people who spoke about Saville and people who get cancelled is worryingly circular.

I'm not normally for the tin foils hats but even I raise an eyebrow.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2022 22:00

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/08/2022 20:59

The Venn diagram of people who spoke about Saville and people who get cancelled is worryingly circular.

I'm not normally for the tin foils hats but even I raise an eyebrow.

#justsayin'

DeadButDelicious · 16/08/2022 22:13

vera99 · 16/08/2022 20:16

Not a miracle but I have the files from torrent sites and have uploaded them to a YT account that I have as unlisted so virtually invisible. I tried to upload his show Total Abuse with no text or names but the YouTube AI copped it was full of abuse so rejected it.

If anyone is curious to see a whole show Gobshite here it is. He almost belongs to another era now and is no longer to my taste but I'm glad he exists and ploughs his fairly lonely furrow. It's words to a paying audience in a closed room that can never be as obscene as so much else that goes on in the world.

drive.google.com/file/d/1Ep6knMBjW8lpB549-ddJe5hJOD0LaZhA/view?usp=sharing

THANK YOU! I've been looking for that for AGES! You've made my night!

vera99 · 16/08/2022 22:22

Glad to be of help grab it while you can...

DeadButDelicious · 16/08/2022 22:23

vera99 · 16/08/2022 22:22

Glad to be of help grab it while you can...

Watching it right now!

JemimaPuddlegoose · 17/08/2022 00:05

beastlyslumber · 16/08/2022 14:01

If you're someone likely to be triggered by certain jokes or references, surely you account for that in the kinds of shows you decide to go and see?

Adults need to take responsibility for themselves. The idea that a show needs an on-site therapist to make everyone feel safe is so fucking Brave New World it terrifies me.

This thread is a dumpster fire.

Implying child rape victims with PTSD are entirely to blame and stupid and oversensitive if they get upset at seeing an exposed penis without warning.

Black women who dislike being called n***r are responsible for dystopian levels of censorship and need to be relentlessly attacked in order to silence them.

Mocking those with PTSD.

Referring to anyone who objects to racism as "the terminally offended".

People who take the time to diligently research and read the show listing and content warning being attacked as being babies with lies about them refusing to take responsibility, because they should have psychically guessed that Jerry gave inaccurate show description and in refusing to provide the content warnings he was asked for. Because women are always responsible for male behaviour!

Meanwhile any stage show, TV series or book that features drag queens, any opinion about gender that differs from the One Accepted Opinion, anything about race or critical race theory, gets attacked and smeared. Anyone who defends those shows or books gets a hundred personally abusive comments and basically a pile-on with the aim of bullying them into silence. Remember, personal opinion is banned on Mumsnet! All wrongthink will be punished!!

You have to hold the "right" opinions about drag (bad and evil), gender (nonsense), racism (doesn't exist) banning racism (evil censorship) and if you differ from the Correct Ideology, or if you're found to be not Ideologically Pure enough, you're BAD and WRONG.

Even other gender critical posters are attacked and bullied into silence if they're found to be not ideologically pure enough (for example, if you're GC but don't mind adult drag shows, or GC but also Jewish and disagree with using the Swastika as a GC symbol. Sorry those are wrongthink!)

And the same posters who try their level best to bully anyone with a different opinion from them, are the ones claiming to be anti-censorship! So it's fine to relentlessly attack and bully anyone found guilty of wrongthink, but if someone says they personally find the N word unacceptable, or suggest that comedians should mention if their shows contain nudity, and there are howls of outrage and accusations of censorship. Simply for having an opinion that differs from your own.

Is being offended a threat to our safety these days?

Yeah, we see you. I know exactly what you're playing at in attempting to reframe black women who object to racial slurs, or women who object to misogynistic abuse, as "terminally offended" and over sensitive.

More dog whistles than Crufts this thread.

GinnyJelly · 17/08/2022 00:30

Thanks for posting, I didn’t think it was particularly funny, the only positive thing I would say is that I love his accent. I guess this wasn’t the routine that got him cancelled so still can’t say if he deserved that still.

LovinglifeAF · 17/08/2022 00:38

JemimaPuddlegoose · 17/08/2022 00:05

This thread is a dumpster fire.

Implying child rape victims with PTSD are entirely to blame and stupid and oversensitive if they get upset at seeing an exposed penis without warning.

Black women who dislike being called n***r are responsible for dystopian levels of censorship and need to be relentlessly attacked in order to silence them.

Mocking those with PTSD.

Referring to anyone who objects to racism as "the terminally offended".

People who take the time to diligently research and read the show listing and content warning being attacked as being babies with lies about them refusing to take responsibility, because they should have psychically guessed that Jerry gave inaccurate show description and in refusing to provide the content warnings he was asked for. Because women are always responsible for male behaviour!

Meanwhile any stage show, TV series or book that features drag queens, any opinion about gender that differs from the One Accepted Opinion, anything about race or critical race theory, gets attacked and smeared. Anyone who defends those shows or books gets a hundred personally abusive comments and basically a pile-on with the aim of bullying them into silence. Remember, personal opinion is banned on Mumsnet! All wrongthink will be punished!!

You have to hold the "right" opinions about drag (bad and evil), gender (nonsense), racism (doesn't exist) banning racism (evil censorship) and if you differ from the Correct Ideology, or if you're found to be not Ideologically Pure enough, you're BAD and WRONG.

Even other gender critical posters are attacked and bullied into silence if they're found to be not ideologically pure enough (for example, if you're GC but don't mind adult drag shows, or GC but also Jewish and disagree with using the Swastika as a GC symbol. Sorry those are wrongthink!)

And the same posters who try their level best to bully anyone with a different opinion from them, are the ones claiming to be anti-censorship! So it's fine to relentlessly attack and bully anyone found guilty of wrongthink, but if someone says they personally find the N word unacceptable, or suggest that comedians should mention if their shows contain nudity, and there are howls of outrage and accusations of censorship. Simply for having an opinion that differs from your own.

Is being offended a threat to our safety these days?

Yeah, we see you. I know exactly what you're playing at in attempting to reframe black women who object to racial slurs, or women who object to misogynistic abuse, as "terminally offended" and over sensitive.

More dog whistles than Crufts this thread.

are you quite well?

LovinglifeAF · 17/08/2022 00:39

GinnyJelly · 17/08/2022 00:30

Thanks for posting, I didn’t think it was particularly funny, the only positive thing I would say is that I love his accent. I guess this wasn’t the routine that got him cancelled so still can’t say if he deserved that still.

It wasn’t to my taste either. But, I’d never support it being censored.