To think people should chill with the hysterical doomsday threads

[elzober]

Before the pile on about minimising the difficulties people are having, I'm not saying there aren't serious challenges going on at the moment from climate to the cost of living. There's no denying any of that and I hope this crappy government will redeem themselves and take steps to help people.

But talk of apocalypse and the collapse of society is pretty OTT and I keep seeing the tin hat brigade commenting about their various conspiracy theories too.

It's a bit hysterical when you think there are people from from developing countries with hyperinflation, war on their doorstep and armed militias who had to flee to places like the UK for safety.

Not a wisper, although I'll do a bit of research, much appreciated.

No, quantum mechanics is the most accurate part of our whole knowledge of the universe. Look at how well our calculation of the fine structure constant matches measurement. It’s an amazingly precise area of human knowledge.

Your suggestion breaches fundamental aspects that underpin all physics. Energy conservation, relativity, momentum conservation, even the very basics of what a wave function is.

It’s not like positing that Bigfoot exists, it’s like suggesting that the earth really does rest on the back of a turtle and that aliens have replaced our parents with robots.

On the history point, you are equally wrong. Archaeologists, geologists, sociologists, linguists, historians, and more, would all need to be in on the conspiracy. All of them, from all over the world. That’s just not possible. The idea that not a single one would speak up.

How can you even suggest that all governments; Russia, France, Peru, The UK, that they all have agreed to fake world history?

And why?

This is always the problem with conspiracy theorists, you can’t or won’t try to understand what else would need to be true for your ideas to be possible.

The only interesting part of it is the psychology. How do people of limited intelligence and education come to believe that they know more than all of the worlds experts, in so many unrelated fields.

That bit, I find absolutely fascinating.

None of what you wrote there is correct. None of it accords with the known laws of physics.

Where on Earth did you read it?

Apparently it obeys Einsteins theories of physics.
Press release: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel No. 32 - 09.03.2021. Astrophysicist at Göttingen University discovers new theoretical hyper-fast soliton solutions
www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=6192

And here is the paper
Breaking the warp barrier: hyper-fast solitons in Einstein–Maxwell-plasma theory. by Dr. Erik W Lentz
Published 9 March 2021 • © 2021 IOP Publishing Ltd
Classical and Quantum Gravity, Volume 38, Number 7
Citation Erik W Lentz 2021 Class. Quantum Grav. 38 075015
iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abe692

The Wikipedia article gives a decent enough explanation of what solitons are. The wave that people surf on up the River Severn is an example of one.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton#:~:text=In%20mathematics%20and%20physics%2C%20a,dispersive%20effects%20in%20the%20medium.

Where are all these hysterical threads

Archaeology,

dating of the sphinx, based on water erosion ect, Graham Hancock,

Yes, exactly, solitons have already been observed. Which is more than we can say for when black holes were theorised in 1915 by Einstein to exist- 50yrs before we actually discovered/observed one in 1964. And 2019 was first time we have imaged a black hole.

That is a discussion of plausible solutions in general relativity, with no suggestion that they will be valid.

As to the idea that you “just” need a nuclear reactor; gravity is 10^40 times smaller than electromagnetism, you’d need an energy source of a billion suns to try to manipulate it at the scale of a human construction.

A pair of black holes colliding make a ripple far smaller than the width of a human hair; every reactor on earth doesn’t get within a factor of a million of that sort of power output.

@ImWell
all I know is i know nothing, but mere speculation and guesses, sometimes my analyses and perspectives could accurate, sometimes I could be wildly off the mark. Bottom line, I know very little about many things.

Yes, we can make one in a swimming pool if we want, or a fish tank. It’s a relatively trivial solution of the standard wave equations in a dispersive media.

I don’t think you read the paper as Dr Lentz states in it that a fission reactor would be more than enough energy to power a soliton “warp bubble”

I think you’ve done a 180 degree about face from:

None of it accords with the known laws of physics.

to

That is a discussion of plausible solutions in general relativity,

because you’ve seen it’s an actual published and peer reviewed theoretical physics paper by a prestigious physicist at a top world university.

which brings me to
How do people of limited intelligence and education come to believe that they know more than all of the worlds experts. Yes, I do wonder the same thing…

On the history point, you are equally wrong. Archaeologists, geologists, sociologists, linguists, historians, and more, would all need to be in on the conspiracy. All of them, from all over the world. That’s just not possible. The idea that not a single one would speak up. How can you even suggest that all governments; Russia, France, Peru, The UK, that they all have agreed to fake world history?

No, there have been collapses in civilisation that make it entirely possible for “history” to be commandeered and hidden away. Most of the publicly known history of western civilisation comes from the ancients (Greeks, romans, Egyptians, Sumerians). They themselves had libraries with tablets, scrolls and such from the ancestors before them- those that they called “the ancients.” The library of Alexandria was called the great library and considered the centre of all learning in the ancient west. But it declined with the Roman Empire and eventually all was lost to us. Except that oral tradition has it that the christian pope had much of the texts evacuated to the Vatican ahead of the Palmyrene invasion…where they are kept secret to this day. Now, oral traditions you scoff, not reliable, but anthropologists have studied oral traditions of various peoples E.g Native American Navajos and Mayans and found that they can be accurate for as long as 10,000 years. The supposed library raid was less than 2,000 yrs ago. So, my point is that for there to be unknown history kept secret it doesn’t take a world wide conspiracy where everyone knows. It can be a select few who know.

And it’s not unheard of for human behaviour, after all every nation has an equivalent to our Official Secrets Act. So people in power are always keeping some information back from the public and other nations and over time, if it is never “declassified” it becomes unknown history. Much like the recipe for Greek fire. Secret of the ancient Greeks. Never found and had to be re-invented in modern times.

YABU in the same way that people who kept shouting 'Project Fear!' whenever anyone raised any warnings about Brexit were being unreasonable.

We are not worried ENOUGH about the climate crisis, and things are degrading much more quickly than the climate models predicted.

It's going to take a lot of creativity and cooperation to stop things getting very nasty indeed, and given the pandemic has shown us how utterly useless people are at changing their behaviour for the common good, I'm not optimistic.

Well, this thread's taken a turn Are you a professional physicist @ImWell?

Some great tips? Get dressed in bed, wear thermal underwear… LaLaLand

Hope whoever posted this isn’t serious with their ‘sadly some old folk may die but hey ho that happened in the olden days too and we came through with our stiff upper lip intact’ line. Next step the workhouse.

Oh I dunno....there is war in Europe at a nuclear plant 10 times the size of Chernobyl so it's not much of a stretch to foresee the apocalypse.

Life is about perspective, the current cosseted generation has very little.

I agree with this.

Financial meltdown plus imminent destruction of the planet is new!

Seriously?? Financial meltdown most certainly is not new - and the destruction of the planet is not "imminent"

I agree OP, people seem to be getting hysterical over everything these days, whether it's a bit of hot weather or the fact that we all are, apparently, doomed!

Sounds nice there in middle class suburbia...

We have to have lots of doom though to keep the media going, what would the BBC, Sky news and DM report on else. they keep trying to get another pandemic panic going but it doesn't seem to have worked.

Or as my elderly mother says: "We coped with worse during the war - said by people who didn't live through it".

Don't be one of those people.

If you don’t like what’s being posted, deal with it on the thread in question. The solution is literally at your fingertips.

Yet another whiny TAAT about how nasty MN and MNetters are, is becoming a bi-weekly call for censorship - I think one of the strengths of MN is that it’s a place where women can post what they like (and so fully support the idea of putting your superior advice and comments on the threads in question)

I don’t like the casual misogyny of describing a groups of women as ‘hysterical’ - the etymology shows why it’s seen as offensive. And as this is pointed out frequently by many posters, I do wonder what lies behind the choice to use it

I live in a stoic country.

I used to live in the UK. The UK is not a stoic country. It just thinks it is because of some WW2 myths. It stopped being one some time in the 1990s. The people who actually lived through WW2 are all dead or very very old and their legacy has been transformed into a very non-stoic mawkishness.

An example of this lack of stoicism is complaining about people talking about climate change and saying it's 'doom-mongering'.

A truly stoic country would face up to the challenge and make a plan, like the WW2 generation had to.