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Late miscarriage & partner's existing children

36 replies

MaisieLocke · 05/08/2022 22:51

After just 4 months of dating, I was shocked to find myself pregnant (with just half an ovary, endometriosis and failing to conceive naturally with my previous long-term partner, I had begun to accept I wouldn't be a mother).

Whilst the relationship was new, I can hand-on-heart say that I've never before felt quite a "match", and, at 39 I have quite the back-catalogue of relationships!

I was anxious when I found out I was pregnant, given the early days of our relationship and his situation. His first born son (11)was conceived 3 months into his previous relationship, followed by his daughter (9). His relationship with their mother ended shortly before their second-born as a result of fundamental differences, debt collectors visiting his house for
her £200K debts, her lying about him being able to adopt her exiting son and so on and so forth. She then waged a war against him, accusing him of rape. These charges were dropped, she admitted that they were false. I have no doubt that he is innocent. Subsequently, she withheld his children from him until family courts agreed his visitation (which was granted at 50/50). However, the last 9 years have seen her withholding the children during previously agreed visiting times. In a bid to keep the peace, he now sees them on Wednesdays and on weekends, although this is subject to her whims.

Anyway, I was anxious to tell him as we hadn't prepared and he was going through some work/ financial changes. I would like to add here that I am fortunate to be fully self sufficient since I have my own mortgage free house and savings.

I was quite emotional when I told him that I was pregnant and was absolutely floored by his response “What about my children?”. I felt extremely alone and decided to return to my house.

In subsequent discussions he revealed that his main concern was that his existing children would feel cast aside and that he would feel guilty that our child would have the upbringing that he didn’t/ couldn’t give them. This I could understand in parts, but I felt very upset that what would otherwise be the most exciting experience was now feeling like more of a disaster.

We spent a month apart, during which time I went for a private scan to determine due date. I decided not to involve him as I did not want to emotionally manipulate him into having the child. I wanted him to come to his own decision in order to feel comfortable proceeding. I will admit that I felt very angry that he had previously told me that he had been excited when she had announced her pregnancies as he had believed she would be a great mother to his children. Knowing that she is manipulative, a seasoned liar and an alcoholic, I struggled to accept that his initial reaction to our news couldn’t have been met with some joy from him.

We made progress, his initial request that I would love his children like my own being his main stumbling block.

We were back on track but I was struggling to accept that I would finally be a mother, I couldn’t believe it was happening. I had advanced screening tests given my age and was finally able to accept that this was happening when I received a call to tell me all was fine. Two days later I began to bleed and at 16w5d was induced in hospital by myself, the Friday before Mothers’ Day.

That weekend was torturous. The Saturday morning he had to drop off his daughter’s riding hat at the school for her lesson. I didn’t want to be left alone so I went with him as he had said that he would just be dropping off the hat. We ended up staying for the lesson. On the Sunday his son had a football match, his mother had gone abroad for the weekend with her new partner (and had lied to the children about where she was going and what she was doing)and it was his first football match. I didn’t feel very well emotionally nor physically but didn’t want his son to be disappointed, especially since his mother had not turned up to his poetry performance for mothers’ day on the Friday. However, I couldn’t help but feel the reality of the situation - that my needs were always going to fall to bottom of the pile. I hope I don’t sound selfish, but loosing my child on the weekend of mothers’ day and having to play family really was excruciating.

I appreciate that my partner has children from another relationship, and I am happy to provide love and support to them and to help him but I cannot help but feel that my feelings are not considered, AIBU? The due date is approaching and I have slipped into quite a depression. I will admit that I feel a disgusting jealousy that I/we do not have our own children yet I am expected to be consoled by the fact that I get to be a step-parent to his children.

I approach the weekends with dread as they seem like PGL activity weekends. He is frantic to embark on a manic series of outings, treats and events. He fears that they need to be entertained 24/7 else they won’t want to visit him. They don’t have bedtimes at their mother’s, so they stay up til midnight. He is afraid to enforce a structure or discipline, again, for fear they won’t want to visit. Come Monday morning we are both exhausted.

I honestly don’t know what to do. I am mourning the loss of my child and also wondering if I can just slot into his existing life. AIBU?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 05/08/2022 23:00

TBH I wouldn't live with someone that didn't parent their DC properly. No bedtimes, no routine, constant Disney Dad - just no.

Being a step parent is difficult enough without a vindictive ex and no determination to parent due to fear/anxiety.

HeckyPeck · 05/08/2022 23:08

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Honestly, I don't think I could forgive his reaction and then lack of support following your miscarriage. And that's without his lack of parenting and unrealistic expectations for you to love his children like his own, which are a recipe for disaster.

I can only imagine they will be a complete nightmare as teens and young adults given the lack of boundaries.

As a step parent myself, it's a hard role even with a partner who is good dad with fair and consistent boundaries.

I would recommend taking some time for yourself this weekend and thinking if this is the future you want for yourself.

thenewduchessoflapland · 05/08/2022 23:10

I'm so sorry you lost your baby;my heart goes out to you.

But please reconsider your relationship with this man.He sounds far more trouble than he's worth.

Ask yourself if you've stayed with him because he was the father of your angel baby?

Namechangetime89 · 05/08/2022 23:13

I’m so sorry for your loss

Maytodecember · 05/08/2022 23:16

I’m very sorry for your loss.
please think carefully about committing to this relationship. He has his children for many more years , and the teenage years are yet to come. If his ex wife is difficult now she’s not going to get any better ( I speak from experience)

EllaDuggee · 05/08/2022 23:18

I think it's unforgiveable that he let you go through your loss on your own, and that he couldn't find anything positive to say when you told him you were pregnant.
I'm so sorry for your loss.

DoNaeWrong · 05/08/2022 23:21

He sounds like a terrible partner. Aim higher.

He's already confirmed you'll come last every time to his children, any future children will too. He also sounds like an awful father, no real parenting and he'll have a pair of nightmares on his hands when they're older (teens) if there's no actual parenting (parenting is the crap bits and boundary setting, not just the Disney part).

Honestly after these experiences, why do you think you want a child with this man?

Is this the future you want, coming last ALL the time and your DC too? He doesn't even want a shared life with you, much less a DC with you.

You need to find a proper partner, not just someone who wants a shag buddy and backup childcare.

Cadot · 05/08/2022 23:37

He sounds like an absolute tool. Get rid of him. If he's the only source of information about his "unstable" ex, id be pretty sceptical about it. Nonetheless, do you really want to be embroiled in all that mess and dysfunction for the rest of your life?

Run for the hills!!

WTF475878237NC · 05/08/2022 23:37

I'm sorry for your loss. I can't understand why you'd ever speak to him again. Are you receiving support from SANDS? I think with the right support you won't feel you need (the idea of) him.

ittakes2 · 05/08/2022 23:43

I am sorry for your loss.
I am also sorry as I don't think the balance is right for you. Of course his children are so very important - but I think you are too far down the pecking order. I understand him being at his son's first football match but he should have encouraged you to stay home and rest - and why on earth did he stay for his daughter's riding lesson.
There is nothing wrong with him wanting to be a great dad but for the relationship to work he also has to want to be a great partner to you.

Carofay · 06/08/2022 00:38

Agree with other posters that you will always come last with this man. You deserve more. There are many Mumsnet threads on steo-parenting and all of them make it sound like a miserable, thankless experience. I consider that I dodged a bullet after a brief experience with a newly-divorced single dad.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/08/2022 00:57

I'm so sorry for your loss, but you need to get the hell out of there. You should be sprinting for the hills. This man will never give you what you need.

Marvellousmadness · 06/08/2022 01:17

Get the hell away from this relationship!

Mally100 · 06/08/2022 05:13

So sorry for your loss. This man has treated you so badly. You need to just leave him, he seems to see you as an addition to his primary family rather than his partner. He has a very unhealthy dynamic with his kids and this won't ever change, you will always be the spare wheel. I hope you are getting support for your loss.

FrogsOwls · 06/08/2022 05:27

I’m so sorry for your loss, OP, and that you weren’t supported properly.

I don’t want to kick you when you are down and obviously suffering, but I think you have to be realistic about this relationship. You had been dating just a few months when you got pregnant. You don’t really know each other that well and there was no proper commitment before you were thrown into a pregnancy. I wouldn’t hold out for it, to be honest.

No matter what the circumstances of his last relationship, he has two children and they will always come first.

I would reconsider whether this life is the one you want.

thefamilyupstairs · 06/08/2022 05:49

I'm so sorry for your loss OP. Like a pp just said, it was a very new relationship, and as he has 'been there done that' in a new relationship that turned out badly I'm honestly not surprised that he wasn't jumping for joy at the news.
It's unforgivable that you had to be induced on your own, did he not want to go with you? Regardless, it sounds like you are both in very different places and it might be better to end the relationship now. You haven't even been together one year and he wants you to love his DC like they are your own? Things moved way too fast there, he has very unrealistic expectations.

Londonrach1 · 06/08/2022 05:53

Sorry about your loss x. He sounds like a bad partner and a bad parent as he's refusing to parent. Please reconsider this relationship. You sound very unhappy which is unstandable having lost your baby but your partner is not supported and looking after you. He sounds horrible. You need time to heal and a more supportive kind partner. Xxxx

AirwaySupport · 06/08/2022 07:08

I'm not surprised he was floored by the news. You mention he was going through some work and financial changes, and he may have felt it was happening all over again.

Yes you be financially secure, but I think he's dealt with quite a lot, and has continued to try and be part of his children's lives, despite the attempts of the mother. Imagine being accused of rape.

Personally I think you've been a bit naive in thinking he was going to be immediately jumping for joy.

I don't blame him for being concerned about them, or how he behaves with them. You don't know each other ultimately.

I am sorry for your loss, but you know his existing children do come first right now, and you have to decide whether that life is for you.

Goldengoosey · 06/08/2022 07:27

So sorry about your baby. That’s a lot to deal with.

You say you are both exhausted after weekends with his children. Why are you involved in looking after them? Can he not do it and you see him through the week? Is he living with you?

He doesn’t sound a great catch tbh. I’m guessing now you know you can get pregnant that you may want to try again. He has shown you that there isn’t really any room in his life for you in the way that you want/need and that he is unable/unwilling to provide you with emotional support you need. His kids will always come first. I think he is right about this one.

He has work and financial issues and often physically and emotionally unavailable for you. What is it about him that makes you describe him as such a great match?

Danceswithkids · 06/08/2022 07:29

Getting two women pregnant in the first few months of a relationship is pretty irresponsible. I honestly can't see what you see in this guy.

Roady1 · 06/08/2022 07:47

This is a very hard situation OP. Its one that I found myself in before having had both a DSC and fertility issues.

I will admit that I feel a disgusting jealousy that I/we do not have our own children yet I am expected to be consoled by the fact that I get to be a step-parent to his children.

This is normal. Do not feel guilty. You DO NOT have to be consoled by his children. They do not make up for the baby you have lost and the grief you are feeling. Do not be made to feel like they should. To be perfectly honest this is one of the main reasons why I used to tell myself I doubted I could have stayed in my relationship with my husband if I'd never been able to have a child of my own, because it didn't make it easier being a step parent, it made it harder.

His insistence that you love them like your own is unreasonable. He cannot expect that of you. Certain not this early in your relationship (or ever imo). That isn't something you demand of someone, it's something that either happens naturally or doesn't and there is absolutely no shame in it not doing so. To think that anyone can just decide to love a child like their own is naive and ridiculous. These children have a mother, a high conflict one by the sounds of it, he cannot expect you to view that as being a consolation for your loss and he must accept that you feel differently about his children than he does or this will not work.

If I'm being perfectly honest I would cut my losses on this personally. His lack of support to you is telling. Yes his children come first that is right of course, but he should be able to show you some care and consideration whilst doing that. Add into that a hostile ex, and the very understandable issues of jealousy around him being a parent and you not (I absolutely understand this, I felt it myself many many times), I don't think this relationship is going to do you any good mentally.

My husband is lovely, he is supportive and caring and always gave me the space I needed when I lost our babies. BUT I still would have likely left if it hadn't worked out for us having our own because of the jealousy issues you describe and the heartbreak of always having to "have children" but not have them.

Carofay · 06/08/2022 08:06

What's with this post siding with the partner? Are you the partner?? No empathy is being displayed here for the poster and her loss at all.

Roady1 · 06/08/2022 08:11

He's already confirmed you'll come last every time to his children, any future children will too

I think with this style of Disney dad guilt parenting, he'd probably put any future children last too because he wouldn't have the same separated parent guilt with them. It's a dynamic you see time and time again on here.

Daleksatemyshed · 06/08/2022 08:35

I'm sorry Op, it must be very painful to have lost your baby. I'm afraid he's so tied up with worrying about losing his DC that he's ignoring the fact that you did lose your DC. I'd get out now, if he can't parent his DC there will never be any peace at home for you and if you did have a baby they'd always be second best to him.
Take a look at the Step parent board, there's several women on there who left their husbands/partners because their child was always second best to the original family.
I hope you can find some happiness elsewhere

quitefranklyabsurd · 06/08/2022 08:52

The problem is as a parent you are always at the bottom of the heap - your needs always come last.

have you talked to him about the miscarriage? Or spoken to a professional together or apart? Don’t forget this has happened to both of you.

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