that the Man who killed a burglar he saw breaking into his house should not be jailed for 19 years

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He saw the man breaking into his house on a video doorbell, armed himself with a knife and went with his half-brother and killed the burglar. He has been jailed for 19 years.

Yes the violence he used was very extreme, but the burglar was breaking into his home! It is unreasonable to expect a dispassionate response. People should be able to defend their home and their family from intruders, including using force which would be considered unlawful or unreasonable in other settings.

Even if he must be found guilty by law, the sentence should take the circumstances into account and it should be a slap on the wrist.

@CakeCrumbs44 so how would you disarm a burglar?

Your experience of ‘a lot of criminals’, you mean? Tell us how you repeatedly got them to eff off by not backing down or showing fear.

@MrsSkylerWhite one of my friends is a black belt, didn't stop him getting beaten to a pulp during a robbery.

I wouldn't! I would call the police and claim on my home insurance!

In that case, the burglar (who was not a normal burglar looking for car keys and your granny’s jewellery, but burglary was what he was doing that night) should have expected his own home to be burgled. Not to be violently murdered in the street by a vigilante gang.

All this big talk! Leaving your human rights at the door. Living and dying by the sword. Not leaving the house alive if an intruder ‘comes near’ your ‘close kin’. Too many people watching Peaky Blinders?

19 years seems a tad harsh. The killer should've said he thought the victim was into BDSM and had called round for bit of knife play and it was a sex game gone wrong. He'd had got off with a lot less. Maybe that only works as a convincing argument if the deceased is female and has horrific genital injuries in addition to the rest though.

Absolutely right that he should get 19 years. He killed someone.

@CakeCrumbs44 why did you reply to my post about disarming one then

Did I say it was self defence ?

For it to be premeditated he would of had to set out to kill him/them . Hence the manslaughter charge

We were broken into when we were all in bed we were older children /teens at the time. My dad was at the time quite hot tempered/protective and caught the guy. He never laid a finger on the intruder though he chased him away but that was it. Said he felt quite sorry for him as he was a pathetic character. Some on this thread would have endorsed him battering the man to death. Frightening.

He didnt keep hold of him for the police?

I wonder more he robbed because of that

He murdered someone. And you think he should have got five years? Life really is cheap to you, isn’t it?

They got to the phone box he had hold of him but had to let go to use the phone box! Have you tried to hang onto a struggling burglar whilst operating an old fashioned phone box ?!

The crime of burglary does not carry the death penalty. Yabu.

No. That's premeditated. And I speak as someone generally of the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade.

mens rea +actus rea = murder in common law

actus reus -both are required

I completely agree he should not have got a day!! His poor family!

You definitely chose the right user name.

I don't have any sympathy here because the guy was a drug dealer and I'm glad he's in jail for a long time. But in general I think if someone breaks into another person's home, the resident should be allowed to use any means necessary to defend their home and family.

If the police were doing their job properly the drug dealer would have already been in jail before this even happened.

It’s scary that people like OP could be on juries.

OP, you keep bleating on about protecting your home and family, but there was no one home. No one can reasomably say you’re protecting your family when you willingly go into a house that is being burgled with the intention of stabbing the burglar to death.

You are trying to sound tough but it’ coming off as clueless and mindlessly violent.

Ponypatter44 did I say anything about stabbing them? They would grab hold of them & put the fear of God in them, knock them about a bit & hold on to them until the police turned up. The police aren't doing the job they are supposed to do whether it is due to shortages of staff or lack of funding & until they do people will take matters in their own hands. When I lived on a very rough estate I slept with a knife under the edge of the bed & when my late dp got attacked outside my home & his attackers tried to force their way in my home they only backed off when dp came out of the kitchen with the biggest knife I owned in his hand.

His response was not proportionate. He deserves his sentence. I'm all for defending your life, family/friends and property, but this isn't the case in this case.

Hmmm. I’ve lived in countries where it is legal to use lethal force on an intruder, and will do so again relatively soon. Some family members have guns and would use them in such a situation. I obviously don’t because right now I’m in the UK, but I have and will again.

So I’m not troubled by such laws when it’s a clear case of someone has broken into your home whilst your there and using (lethal) force is your immediate line of defense. You can’t claim you’re defending yourself however when you specifically go over to where the burglar is, and then chase him out to stab him some more. I understand his anger, but disagree with his actions.

How was he protecting his home when he stabbed the man to death on a road after having chased him in car and attempted to run him over?

The murder did not take place in his home. He stabbed the man in the eye outside of his home. The man then ran. The murderer chased him in a vehicle which he tried to use to mow the man down but ended up crashing into a wall. He then chased the man on foot, caught him, pinned him against the car and stabbed him repeatedly in the neck.

That is not defending your property or family. That is murder.

How anyone can argue that violent, deranged pyschopath should not be in jail is beyond me. You all need serious help.