To be starting to really worry about Liz Truss

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OK, so I'm not a Tory. I hate Boris, and despise the rest of them. I don't hold or much hope of any of them actually doing anything to address the problems that we're currently facing, because I don't think any of them actually give a toss about ordinary people. Of the two candidates that are left in the Tory leadership contest, I would pick Rishi, because I think he has a more realistic understanding of the economic challenges, but obviously, I'm not a party member so I have no say in the matter.

Nevertheless, I have been relatively sanguine and the prospect of Liz Truss as leader, a) because I figured that things couldn't get much worse than the shit show that we have had under Boris, and b) because I am pretty sure that she will be utterly unelectable when it comes to the next general election, so worst case scenario would be that we have another couple of years of crappy Tory government, exacerbated by the cost of living crisis, and then we can be pretty confident of getting shot of them. So, pretty shit all in all, but survivable.

But listening to everything that she is saying she wants to do, to the economic forecasts, and to the analysis from both within and beyond the Tory party, I'm starting to get really very worried. All this talk of huge tax cuts and massive reductions in public spending...I fear that she is going to make the looming economic crisis infinitely worse at a time when we can least afford to risk it. Nearly all economists seem to agree that her plans are going to make things worse, not better.

We are already at breaking point. Public services are on their knees. Businesses are struggling to stay afloat. People both in work and out of work are struggling. The most vulnerable are already having to choose between bare essentials such as eating and heating. Inflation continues to soar, energy prices are going off the scale, interest rates are going up... and she is about to make it worse! We just don't have the resilience in the system to cope with this.

I am actually very worried about what is going to happen. This could be very bad indeed, and a lot of people are going to suffer. If we end up with austerity on steroids in the midst of an unprecedented economic crisis, there will be massive civil unrest, surely?

Watching the hustings in Eastbourne it's watching an audience of mostly 65+ affluent grey hairs deciding who is the next Pm of this country. Pensionerism at it's worst.

the members of the party who are in government choose the newleader of that party which means they are PM. this is the same method used by the other parties Labour party members elected Starmer and Rayner.do you think older people should be prevented from choosing the Labour leader as well?

Optics and what that means. If young people were motivated, as I hope they will be voting in the same numbers as the greys (I'm 61) then will have a more active, healthy and representative democracy. I live in hope and of course, Brexit would never have happened.

When many were celebrating the demise of Boris, I pointed out that whoever takes over is going to be far more right wing, that the party view is the lurch to level up was far too centrist even verging on left wing. I was shouted down by almost everyone saying no one could be worse than Boris. I realised then people had no idea what was coming.
Finally one poster catches on, whoever takes over its going to become extremely right wing

And the further right it lurches, the more likely it is to lose the next election @Festoonlights. Add the absolute economic shitshow we’ll be facing at the next election and they’ll be out of power for at least a generation. I wouldn’t be too smug if I were you.

I think people were too wrapped up in partygate to hear from anyone suggesting this

I agree and thought it would be the case

Sunak let the mask slip for a moment today and what an ugly face it is. He boasted to local Tories of his efforts as chancellor to reverse Treasury formulas “that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas” rather than to more deserving communities like theirs. That’s right: it’s Tunbridge Wells that needs the help. As Angela Rayner rightly observed... scum.

Sunak’s completely cooked his goose now.

I don't know who you were "pointing this out" to but plenty of people and commentators have observed the Tory party's lurch to the hard right. That still doesn't mean Johnson should have stayed as PM. He should simply never have ever been PM.

Wait til she’s been in Downing Street for six months. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would want to be PM right now.

Probably the enormity of what she has done is trickling down into her brain with a tsunami of badness coming at her like a hurricane. Or at least my confirmation bias is saying that !

Sunaks boast to the people of TW has just lost them the next election. Labour should be playing this video more or less non stop in the run up to the polls. I have never seen such a self own by a politician.

If that clip doesn’t take pride of place in Labour’s election campaign I’ll eat my sofa. What a stupid man he is.

Along with the clip of Truss doing a u-turn on her public sector pay policy

So you think our only options as a country are to have a PM who is dishonest, law-breaking and patently unfit for public office or an extreme right winger? Some of us have a vision of something better than that. Hell, even some Tories have a vision for something better than that. When did your standards get so low?

I do not want Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak as PM, but I sure as hell don't want Boris back either. It is a stain on the Tory party that this is the best that they are able to offer the nation.

Well people keep voting Tory...

They did when the majority of the population are feeling the effects of the biggest economic downturn in their lives and are sussed up to vote anti-tory strategically the game's up - sadly though it's looking like the next government will inherit a right old mess.

The conservatives have historically moaned that it was the Labour Party which left the economy in a bad way. Most of my friends and colleagues are conservative voters and are oddly quiet at the moment , although a few blame the msm for Boris Johnson's having to resign ( not the 58 tory MPs etc who stepped down)
They really are part of the 'Tory cult ' who like to think they are still doing a good job despite everything.

Be very worried if you’re working class.
Truss said she wants to clamp down on ‘militant groups’ who bring the country to a standstill. She mentioned trade unions and Extinction rebellion- as if the two are similar.

Trade unions are legally recognised who operate within the law and are democratically elected by their members. They work for the good of their members.

Extremist groups like Extinction rebellion don't operate within the law and are not elected.

Also trade unions don’t necessarily bring the country to a halt- if a factory goes on strike only that sectors is affected.

When groups like Extinction rebellion and other such groups protest- that has massive implications to lots of people including harming the economy.

Trade unions don’t block ambulances or stops goods on trucks from entering or leaving the UK.

Im worried that Liz Truss actually classes trade unions the same as extremist groups.The woman is either as thick as shit or very dangerous.

Liz Truss is trying to be the next Margaret Thatcher.

Fast fwd to a general election,how is Truss going to look in tv debates with Kier Starmer
I think tories are laying gifts in front of labour ready for the next GE

sunak would be better laying his sword down now to stop the carnage

But the next election isn’t until 2024, the Tories won’t call an early one and risk losing. I fear the damage will already be done by then.
We need a GE NOW!

I think Liz Truss isn't a great orator and her recent u turns are a worry , but Starmer will also find it hard to win the voters over as well. Especially those ones who voted tory in 2019 for the first time.
Never underestimate how good the conservatives are at winning elections even with a bad leader.

Sunak's off-the-cuff comment was him throwing in the towel and doing a FU to Truss on the way out. If Truss says nothing - noted, if Truss agrees with it Red Wall chucked under a bus if Truss disagrees with it - hostage to fortune. Goldman Sachs alumni know precisely what they are doing usually shafting anyone who isn't them.

What's she's doing is knackering. Technically she's still a cabinet minister and she's trying to run an election campaign at the same time and (presumably) deal with some family stuff. So I'm sure she is knackered.

Maybe she thinks she's bitten off more than she can chew (unlikely).

She's an absolute shoe-in now though. I think she will be a terrible prime-minister. As many have said she's incredibly wooden so PMQs will be interesting. The next two years will be very hard.