To be starting to really worry about Liz Truss

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OK, so I'm not a Tory. I hate Boris, and despise the rest of them. I don't hold or much hope of any of them actually doing anything to address the problems that we're currently facing, because I don't think any of them actually give a toss about ordinary people. Of the two candidates that are left in the Tory leadership contest, I would pick Rishi, because I think he has a more realistic understanding of the economic challenges, but obviously, I'm not a party member so I have no say in the matter.

Nevertheless, I have been relatively sanguine and the prospect of Liz Truss as leader, a) because I figured that things couldn't get much worse than the shit show that we have had under Boris, and b) because I am pretty sure that she will be utterly unelectable when it comes to the next general election, so worst case scenario would be that we have another couple of years of crappy Tory government, exacerbated by the cost of living crisis, and then we can be pretty confident of getting shot of them. So, pretty shit all in all, but survivable.

But listening to everything that she is saying she wants to do, to the economic forecasts, and to the analysis from both within and beyond the Tory party, I'm starting to get really very worried. All this talk of huge tax cuts and massive reductions in public spending...I fear that she is going to make the looming economic crisis infinitely worse at a time when we can least afford to risk it. Nearly all economists seem to agree that her plans are going to make things worse, not better.

We are already at breaking point. Public services are on their knees. Businesses are struggling to stay afloat. People both in work and out of work are struggling. The most vulnerable are already having to choose between bare essentials such as eating and heating. Inflation continues to soar, energy prices are going off the scale, interest rates are going up... and she is about to make it worse! We just don't have the resilience in the system to cope with this.

I am actually very worried about what is going to happen. This could be very bad indeed, and a lot of people are going to suffer. If we end up with austerity on steroids in the midst of an unprecedented economic crisis, there will be massive civil unrest, surely?

Those of you 'fortunate enough' to be Conservative Party members will have received an email about what we want to tell the candidates.
I'm going to tell them off for the lost ££billions on crony contracts.

Yes they are mainly awful, except for two of our local MPs who are diligent.
But I think they are the less horrible than the Unite/RMT party of Angela Rayner who are the realistic alternative.
Rishi still has question marks all over him but he is willing to do better. Truss revels in being a female Boris.
Truss is no more like Mrs T than Boris is like Churchill. Pale imitations that might have adopted the toughness but missed the integrity that was in each original.

Well, my hope is LD get to be kingmakers, SNP gets an indyref vote (which they lose because the Tory Westminister bogeyman is slain and we have a parliamentary vote to dissolve parliament and bring in votes for 16 years olds and some form of PR. Then we can finally slay the tory dragon once and for all and no more unrepresentative cabals taking over the government ever gain. Taking back control....even Nigel Farage is for it now what could go possibly wrong !

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/labours-mixed-night-shows-it-needs-a-progressive-alliance-to-win-an-election

And — when Gordon Brown’s commission on constitutional reform finally reports — it needs a convincing offer to Scotland. I doubt any offer of federalism would be strong enough to dent the SNP’s support, but it would be the reference point for negotiations to form a Labour-led progressive government with supply and confidence from the Greens and SNP.
The big picture is: a transformative government, achieving green growth, redistribution, devolution, proportional representation and active re-engagement with Europe is well within the grasp of Britain’s progressive majority. It’s the party leaderships that still won’t seize the moment.

The Conservatives are not spineless and are trying to stop it.

What are they doing? All those things have happened on their watch.

Truss styling herself as Thatcher II is laughable. Thatcher had brains, debating skills, ideals, principles and a moral compass even if it was way off. She'd think this lot were unspeakable .

And I couldn't stand Thatcher

I hated Thatcher but isn't in the same universe as her. Same as Johnson / Churchill - these are pound shop knocks off of the real thing. Maggie even paid £17 quid for an ironing board rather than put it on the public purse. These squealing troughing pigs are precisely that.

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Just thinking out loud here.

I am no fan of Rishi Sunak but I think he probably has the better economic policy.

I also wonder whether he has made it quite clear that he will have people who know what they are doing in his cabinet and Liz Truss is promising positions in the cabinet to people who support her. - I can't honestly see why she has so much support apart from the fact that she is Boris Johnson a dress and there seem to be loud and vocal party members who think that Boris should never have been ousted. Those people will hate Rishi Sunak because he obviously started the avalanche of resignations. Sajid Javid's endorsement of Liz Truss just proves that he is a nasty opportunistic piece of work

Yes I was no Thatcher fan at all, but I agree she would be horrified at the state of Conservative politicians now.
She would have chewed Boris up and spat him out! As for Truss she wouldn’t have given her the time of day.

Boris's dad dancing at his wedding... he will of course be going through his Red Boxes and helping buttress the Uk economy against the prevailing dire headwinds now with Carrie helping out with the detail😂

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Grim reading and the coming storm that will blow up and over Ms Truss and the government asleep at the wheel.

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Strictly speaking, Savid Javid resigned first (his second resignation during Johnsons term so looks like he isn't keen on him at all ) then Rishi Sunak. So why is Sunak being "vilified" for allegedly bringing Johnson down, when Ms Truss has seemingly promised top jobs to all the others who were called "back stabbers" and who also resigned?
Also, why are all the Tory MP's not blaming anything on themselves for the shocking state our wonderful country is in from being under their rule for the previous 12 years?

If you think Rishi has the better economic policy. You need to listen to this breaking news every where!.

Defund poor areas to fund rich areas, he admits to already implementing this as chancellor.

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Rishi just said what all the contenders are thinking - surprised he was so candid or maybe he knows he's going down and wants to toxify the brand for Truss.

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I see the impact of this government's policies on vulnerable women through my work. They are suffering. The fact that the government is able to define them is not helping them much.

Absolutely agree OP.

I am more worried about Rishi getting in. He has been horrendous and his largesse with taxpayer money during the pandemic and then getting workers to pay more NI to pay for it all is disgraceful! I don't want to pay any more tax. Nothing ever improves for taxpayers and it is always wasted on politicians pet projects or what big business wants. I would rather decide what my earned money is spent on rather than the Government. Truss is right to want to bring in tax cuts - the highest tax burden in years is why there are so many vacancies - nobody wants to work when it's only marginally better (if at all) than being on benefits and you have more free time!

Well, Rishi has certainly shown his true colours in that video about moving funding from deprived areas to wealthy towns. There is no doubt about his true Tory credentials.

Neither Truss nor Sunak are fit to be PM. They disgust me.

Maybe you would benefit from reading up on some basic economics?

If you think Rishi has the better economic policy. You need to listen to this breaking news every where!.

Defund poor areas to fund rich areas, he admits to already implementing this as chancellor.

twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1555478619253776390

Thank you - God it's depressing isn't it. Both of them are disgusting

Please can you tell me how increasing taxes/NI on my earned income is going to let me keep more of my salary?

I wish there were more context on this. Not because I think it's anything good, but I also don't think it's clearly "undo Labour's policy to fund poor urban areas" and fund rich rural areas, versus "undo Labour's policy to fund poor urban areas" disproportionately and redistribute the funding.

Of course, because it's the conservatives, that redistribution is not going to be (only, or mainly) across all deprived areas urban or not, but also including areas that do not seem on the surface to be clearly deprived. But this was already evident in the famous "Levelling Up" policy. Why is it "levelling up" rather than just levelling? To reassure people/areas at the top that they won't be getting any less than they have been while others get more. Which would be a neat trick, but we need to hear the economics behind it.

Increasing taxes isn't going to help you keep more of your salary. I never said that it would, and frankly, that isn't my goal.

You keeping more of your salary (or indeed, me keeping more of mine) is not going to fix the problems that the economy is facing. Tax cuts will drive up inflation, exacerbating the cost of living crisis, driving up interest rates and pushing more people into poverty and debt. If you think that any of that will be good for the economy or for the country in the short term, then you are sorely mistaken.

Would 40% of people in the UK really vote for a party that created a dodgy dossier to take the UK into an illegal war that killed millions and still is?

Do 40% of people have no scruples and not care about millions of deaths and ongoing terrorism in the UK?

I expect MPs voted for the war because Labour had created a false dossier based on lies. This resulted in millions dead. It's odd that despite that monumental lie so many will still vote Labour and claim the moral high ground when Boris has some birthday cake. Millions dead versus some cake.... you Labour supporters need to take a good look at yourselves!

Zebedee are you drunk? I'm no fan of Bliar (though I was in Downing St with a plastic flag supplied as I worked round the corner when he was cheered in through the door) and hated him more than Thatcher in the end because of the war. Times moved on and anyway most of the Tories (apart from Ken Clarke - great bloke btw) voted with the government. If you are really interested in the methodology for the polls read below.

This government of the second-raters, chancers and liars are heading into a perfect storm of a prolonged severe economic downturn which will destroy their electoral chances for a generation and hopefully forever if my pr / voting at 16 dreams can be realised. Starmer for all his lack of charisma is a decent honourable man who cares about his brief, the country and making a better country based on the principles of decency, honesty and integrity along with the Lib Dems, Greens and the Nats the tories will be swept away at the next election and not before time. Anyway, that's my dream you're welcome to get on board this magic roundabout of hope!

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