Botox and fillers

[Vainandjustrealised]

I have sadly started to realise something here

I have had botox since I was 24
Fillers lips ans cheeks
Attend for radiofrequency microneedling
Started profhilo

I had a bit of an AHA moment at the hair dressers last week

I was asking her about the treatments they do in the salon - the hair dresser was the same age as me and oozed self love and confidence. She said she had never done anything like that - without knowing I was a (vain) aesthetics addict she said 'you know what the saddest thing about these procedures'. I said 'what?' She said 'every single woman who attends to get them done here is attractive or above average attractiveness already' - 'I never see anyone who actually needs anything done come here'.

The penny dropped
I started to look on social media and realised woman who get these things done are already beautiful and do not need them

AIBU to realise that this industy is a mega money making business pulling on some womans (including my own) subconsious belief that we are 'not good enough' in some ways that results in us getting treatments we do not need?

Its as it I have just woken up. And it cannot fundamentally make me feel better about myself - because then I am onto the next thing. The next treatment and then the next. When does it stop?

This.

We're groomed to think we can't age, yet men can and mostly look fine for it.

Everyone who has something done looks like it. You get a shiny face, or smooth forehead and sagging neck, etc etc.

I don't care what anyone does, but the thing where we're not allowed to say that no, Botox doesn't make you look younger, and no it's not subtle, is just crackers.

You know when you look at a blonde, and you know it's dyed? It's a great dye, but you can just tell it's not their natural colour. Yeah, well that's Botox.

You can call out the industry without telling hundreds of women they don’t look good though. It’s fine to say I don’t like aesthetic procedures and I think the industry is toxic, it’s not okay to say I think everyone who gets filler/Botox/surgery looks bad because that’s not true is it?

People who’ve had work done don’t look youthful, they look strangely ageless.

Fern Cotton has only just turned 40 - of course she hasn't 'needed' anything yet

She hasn't had the massive drop off of oestrogen as she approaches menopause

I still looked young and fresh at 40, at 50 I look like a bag of bollocks

I get Botox because I don’t want to end up looking like my mother.

Granted her evil oozes out on her face and years of resting cunt face have left her looking like a melted bucket. I just don’t want to end up looking like her.

So I have botox and some lip plumping hyauralic injections every six months. No fillers though.

I felt a bit sad reading that you'd started treatments on your face at 24, I think most women are naturally beautiful at that age and don't need anything.
Don't like lip fillers, they're really common amongst young women, who definitely don't need any enhancements to their looks

It’s fine to say I don’t like aesthetic procedures and I think the industry is toxic, it’s not okay to say I think everyone who gets filler/Botox/surgery looks bad because that’s not true is it?

I think it's ok to say that women looking their age is fine, that women look good as they are, and that they pretty much always look better before the procedures.

I'm 36 and had a little bit of botox for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Only on my forehead and I'm quite pleased. I don't think I'll have more though - its very expensive!

A friend who has three step daughters all in their early 20's was saying they've all had lip fillers / botox and I thought it was kind of sad - people in their early 20's definitely don't need botox!

This.

I think most women are naturally beautiful at that age and don't need anything.

I don't think most women of any age are naturally beautiful in the sense that most people understand the word 'beautiful'. What we need to do is realise that beauty is not actually a vey important thing at all. Men are not expected to be beautiful at any age.

Not finished last post.
. They just make your face look weird and I find myself staring at them, not because I am taking in your beauty, but because my brain is trying to process the assymetry of your face.
Can understand older women having procedures (40's plus) as you start to age properly, but not in your 20's and 30's. I agree the industry has done a number on mostly women, to trick them into thinking they need this stuff.
The pressure to look attractive has always been there, but I am glad I was young when I was and this stuff was not accessible or even normalised in the way it is today.

You can't botox your neck, décolletage, hands or feet - they give the game away

But you can now have Hyaluronic Acid injected into your hands and voila - wrinkle free.

I can understand how tempting it is to have fillers and botox. I wont judge anyone who does, good for them if it ups their confidence.

I think the trick is not to get carried away with too many treatments, and to realise anti-ageing is a massive business - dont throw too much money at it hecause whatever you do, you're still going to look old one day and maybe sooner than you think.

This too. Not everyone is naturally beautiful. Most of are just average.

Personally think the lips on some people these days look awful. It’s poison that is being put in the face. What’s the point in wasting that money? And putting poisons in the face. My beautician said don’t play with your face for this I agree!

I don't think most women of any age are naturally beautiful in the sense that most people understand the word 'beautiful'. What we need to do is realise that beauty is not actually a vey important thing at all. Men are not expected to be beautiful at any age.
Don't agree with that at all, youth is generally attractive, that is why there is a whole industry built around (re) capturing it.

It does make me sad when young women get these things done.

They have no idea how beautiful they already look!

Or they don't look beautiful- just average like DD-but at least their faces are not full of poison and they wont have to spend the rest of their lives running after an impossible ideal.

I spent 25 years trying to feel confident in my own skin and for the most part I did, Ive always taken care of my hair, skin, nails, etc and because of that I have naturally nice hair and nice skin. Nothing I did could naturally change those last few things that gave me a boost though so I got lip filler and spmu. I didn’t make that decision on a whim, it took me 2 years from when I started considering filler until I actually booked it.

Noone knows I’ve had my lips done until I tell them though, I’ve had many people say to me why do I need filler when I already have nice lips and I’ve had to explain to them by this point I’ve had about 4ml of filler, that’s why I have nice lips so I do believe that they can look natural if you go to someone decent, and money doesn’t always equal good, and don’t go over board with it. But then again those who do go over board most likely don’t actually want to look natural.

I do think that unless it’s medically necessary, eg like some nose jobs are, there should be a higher age limit on it though. I don’t agree with freshly turned 18 years old doing things to permanently change their face/body/teeth.

People will carry on with it as long as they are under the delusion that it looks good though. And it is deluded - it may look good for a very short time but longer term it always looks obvious.

One of the biggest issues is that it can look ok in photos, but becomes obvious when someone is right on front of you speaking and interacting - so people look at photos of themselves, or even just looking in the mirror with a fairly static face, and they think they look ok, whilst it is glaringly obvious to anyone who sees their face actually move.

People even acknowledge that it looks bad on others (usually celebrities) and then think, 'but not me, mine is subtle'. If it doesn't look good on Jennifer Aniston, why would yours be any better? FFS.

It is very new too - we haven't seen the results of decades of use yet. I suspect people will get stuck because the muscles have atrophied so much that their faces will collapse when they stop (think of the muscle loss when someone's leg has been in a plaster cast).

I always think of the Georgians rotting their faces away with lead powder.

Think you might have had a name change fail OP just in case you want to ask mumsnet to fix it

Lots of people don't get to grow old, I think it's privilege to grow old. I personally accept my looks, and not had any cosmetic procedures.

Each to their own though.

You are completely right op.
It's sexist bollocks.
It's pumping poison into your face in an attempt to create some unattainable perception of "beauty"

People who age naturally look much less weird imo.

But good luck getting some people to listen! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Aside from the ethical dilemma etc. is it really true that in ten years time we will start to see health repercussions like we did with the breast implants saga? Or do we already know all there is to know about botox and fillers?

I'm glad to hear I must be beautiful already.

Don't agree with that at all, youth is generally attractive, that is why there is a whole industry built around (re) capturing it.

You could walk around a town and point out many young women whose looks are not what the beauty industry is trying to capture! The fact that women want to look younger does not remotely mean that all, or even most, women under a certain age are beautiful.